So does the ACC "Own" or otherwise control the Orange Bowl?

[BUGGZY]

Then what will the Orange Bowl Committee do to fund the game and as you think pay additional money to the teams beyond the TV and sponsorship money that is already going to the ACC? Where will the money come from?

it's like the Super Bowl with the NFL. the NFL owns the TV and ad rights, but the host city (in this case, bowl committee) pays a fee to host. the fee is paid out of tax revenue generated by hosting the event. The Orange Bowl will also likely keep all their ticket revenue, so they can use that to pay the ACC, too.

before all the giant TV and ad sales money came to the bowls in the 90's, they paid participating teams primarily from ticket and tax revenue. the tax piece is negotiated with the tourism council(s) for the locality(s) involved. for The Orange Bowl, they can pluck from Ft. Lauderdale, Miami, and everywhere in between.

[PadrosWindup]

LOL I thought I was in the 1% instead of 25%...or at least I have been for the last 10 years. That said, I think it is important for this to come out the right way. I have said, I think we will know soon. This will probably be boom or bust for me on this board, as some swirl the board waiting for those bold enough to predict and then pounce on them if they are wrong. I will not tell you why I think that way now, but I will be happy to share without names later if it comes out soon.

If ND, stays independent and I don't think they will...it will only be for a short period of time. The conference champion component is huge and I said that before they voted for it and I will say that now that they have voted for it. First because it tells you the conferences are driving the bus and second because it does diminish greatly the chances of an independent getting to the final four playoff. Ask yourself what BYU another independent is up to? They just said that the game between them and Utah is not going to be played for a couple of years...that is a good sign of what is happening to independents if you can read it.

IMO, ND will need to be burned by the conference champ component, maybe more than once, to move football to a conference. Some Domers may want to do it proactively, but the inertia from alumni/fans/old line admin to make the move a reactive one.

It may not even happen until the current contract expires in 12 or so years. ND will need to get close to get burned. They will need a better HC than Brian Kelley to get them closer. Assuming Kelley has 3-4 more years at ND, then at that point he is fired and ND goes after a Miles/Saban/Meyer level coach. Then it's another 2-3 years to implement the system and improve recruiting, and possibly making the schedule more favorable. So we are looking at 5 years minimum, could be well more for coach after Kelley ( or the next, or the next) to even get ND close enough to playoff contention to even start an argument about whether the conference championship component hurts them or not.

[Hateful Hokie]

ACC owns the TV rights for the game, and the Orange Bowl Committee will still have to pay a yet to be disclosed amount of money to the ACC for hosting. This money will likely all just go into the pot for the Big6 bowls and the championship game.

Since the ACC is now the official host of the game, they have a lot of say in any further contracts the game signs, including sponsorship or would be opponents.

The conferences are taking control of the bowl system. The SEC/B12 game will almost certainly end up simply being either the Sugar Bowl or the Cotton Bowl, but they want those 2 entities to bid on it. the 2 conferences will co-own the TV and sponsorship rights to whatever bowl wins the bidding war, just like we do with the Orange Bowl. the biggest difference is, for now, the ACC is the sole owner of those rights, we share them with no one.

The "new" Sugar Bowl (SEC/Big XII game) logically should be less valuable than before given the likelihood that the SEC and Big XII champs will make the playoff. I can't think of many years where the SEC/Big XII game will actually have either the SEC or Big XII champs. It was unlikely before in the #1 vs. #2 system, but now with 4 teams the chances have to be remote.

[BUGGZY]

The "new" Sugar Bowl (SEC/Big XII game) logically should be less valuable than before given the likelihood that the SEC and Big XII champs will make the playoff. I can't think of many years where the SEC/Big XII game will actually have either the SEC or Big XII champs. It was unlikely before in the #1 vs. #2 system, but now with 4 teams the chances have to be remote.

i'm not sure if TV or the Host Cities really care if they get SEC #1 or SEC #2 (same with B12). all they care about are travelling butts and TV eyeballs, both of which will be completely fine with #2 from either league knowing that Arlington, TX and NOLA are the 2 most likely landing spots.

[Hokiestud]

A "reality"? No, of course not. But is it a possibility, if not now then later? I definitely think it is.

[Stech]

The conferences first of all will make up at a minimum ...a majority of the selection committee. Then let's talk about what you get by being a Conference Champion that you don't get as an independent and you tell me if you think it is insignificant.

1-If there is a tie between a Conference Champion and a non-conference champion...the Conference Champion goes.

2-The Conference Champion gets an extra game to build their SOS.

3-The Conference Champion gets more SOS points because they beat most likely another highly ranked teams in the Conference Champion game.

So if you add those three things up and the fact the Conferences will have most of the seats on the selection committee...the independent has a much much steeper hill to climb to get to the Final Four playoff. ND is many things, but they are not dumb, the administration has this figured out. There biggest obstacle is their biggest donors, but I think the facts are weighted to heavily against staying independent. We will know soon.

[HokieZig]

The conferences first of all will make up at a minimum ...a majority of the selection committee. Then let's talk about what you get by being a Conference Champion that you don't get as an independent and you tell me if you think it is insignificant.

1-If there is a tie between a Conference Champion and a non-conference champion...the Conference Champion goes.

2-The Conference Champion gets an extra game to build their SOS.

3-The Conference Champion gets more SOS points because they beat most likely another highly ranked teams in the Conference Champion game.

So if you add those three things up and the fact the Conferences will have most of the seats on the selection committee...the independent has a much much steeper hill to climb to get to the Final Four playoff. ND is many things, but they are not dumb, the administration has this figured out. There biggest obstacle is their biggest donors, but I think the facts are weighted to heavily against staying independent. We will know soon.

Isn't there a movement of the big 5 conferences to eventually break off from the NCAA? If that were to happen, Notre Dame is left in the cold.

[BUGGZY]

Isn't there a movement of the big 5 conferences to eventually break off from the NCAA? If that were to happen, Notre Dame is left in the cold.

only on message boards. olympic sports rely heavily on nearby competition from schools not in the FBS, let alone not in the Big5 conferences. VT sports play Radford, VMI, Liberty, JMU, ODU, W&M, Richmond, etc on a fairly regular basis. breaking away would force them to compete only against schools under the same governing body (just like NCAA schools don't compete with NAIA schools).