perhaps big12 twitter mafia read this....

[hokiefan86]

I said things would look bad for a while, but in the end VT would be okay.

I also said there would be a lot of noise, but the thing to watch is the how they pick the playoff 4...not a bowl for second place teams (ie Champions Bowl) I think the conference model is probably off the table, but the question is will winning your conference be a significant component of how they pick the playoff 4.

That is the thing to watch here...and it still is the thing to watch. Believe me ND is watching it.

Okay, I went back and checked and its my bad on the 'shake up'. However, in addition to being okay, you said

I have been trying to tell everyone it is going to look bad before VT comes out on top and I mean academically and sports wise.

Unlike some on the board, I really like our position right now.

If nothing happens is that being 'on top' sports wise? Or do you really expect ND to join the ACC still (not sure I'd consider that 'on top' either, but at least its an improvement)

[PeninsulaHokie]

http://www.tigernet.com/view/story.do?id=10666

Greg Swaim is stating that the Big 12 were the ones that changed their mind on an offer and TheDudeofParentsBasement is saying it is still on. LMAO

[hokiefan86]

Fans may have wento into panic mode, not the people that matter.

other than the FSU BOT

[BazHokie]

Which is crap. Truth is his B12 sources have finally realized that Clemson isn't coming...and are now using the twitter mafia to make it look like the B12 rebuffed this ACC team as not good enough.

Downright comical this is.

[Colonel Jessup]

Or maybe all this back channeling is starting to get squashed on both sides at the highest levels. I hope that is happening right now. The Dude of the Basement and other Big 12 mafia is certainly being fed something...I just hope it is from people who cannot force this to happen.

Greg Swaim is stating that the Big 12 were the ones that changed their mind on an offer and TheDudeofParentsBasement is saying it is still on. LMAO

[Buy These!]

The Dude of the Basement and other Big 12 mafia is certainly being fed something...I just hope it is from people who cannot force this to happen.

Only thing the "Dude" is being fed is hot pockets by his mom

[Buy These!]

other than the FSU BOT

One rogue member...every board has them. These guys are just political appointees, usually big donors to the governors campaign. Many of them have to be managed carefully.

[BUGGZY]

If they go with the top 4 ranked teams model, it will be nothing more than a "Plus 1" to me. Nothing new really will happen except for an additional game (winner of #1 vs. #4 and winner of #2 vs. #3 games). I see no reason for Notre Dame to join any conference to play football. They will be at the table during the meeting later this month. Notre Dame will still receive special treatment even though they haven't been a significant program in 20 years.

What may come out of the meetings is the other BCS bowl teams may be selected by a committee (like the NCAA basketball tourney) which could make it harder for ACC and Big East champions to qualify for BCS bowl games. There has been a lot of complaining recently about conference champions ranked out of the top 15 making it to BCS bowl games while better teams (teams ranked in the top 10) fail to make BCS bowls. That would hurt the BEFC and possibly the ACC in some years. That would be my concern if I were John Swofford or the BEFC commissioner.

Lot's of schools from lots of conferences have been screwed by polls and by "selection committees" (i'm considering bowl committees as selection committees for BCS football). undefeated Auburn was left at #3 by voters who supposedly bow to the SEC. i seem to recall the Pac10 complaining for years about being passed over on BCS at-large opportunities. it was just 6 months ago that VT, an ACC school, was given a BCS at-large spot.

also, how is Notre Dame getting special treatment? no system will be approved that shuts out Army or Navy even though everyone knows they have no shot. giving ND special treatment would be to start the season locked into one of the 4 spots unless they lose 3 games or something. i hate the domers, but they generally play one of the toughest schedules in the country. if they can win enough of those games to be in the top 4, why shouldn't they be in the playoff?

The top 4 teams is the right approach, and the top 4 teams will have at least 3 conference champions 9 years out of 10. i don't know why there is so much hand-wringing going on over this. the old system was the top 2 teams in the country playing, we're just expanding the field to generate more money.

[Old Line Hokie]

Lot's of schools from lots of conferences have been screwed by polls and by "selection committees" (i'm considering bowl committees as selection committees for BCS football). undefeated Auburn was left at #3 by voters who supposedly bow to the SEC. i seem to recall the Pac10 complaining for years about being passed over on BCS at-large opportunities. it was just 6 months ago that VT, an ACC school, was given a BCS at-large spot.

also, how is Notre Dame getting special treatment? no system will be approved that shuts out Army or Navy even though everyone knows they have no shot. giving ND special treatment would be to start the season locked into one of the 4 spots unless they lose 3 games or something. i hate the domers, but they generally play one of the toughest schedules in the country. if they can win enough of those games to be in the top 4, why shouldn't they be in the playoff?

The top 4 teams is the right approach, and the top 4 teams will have at least 3 conference champions 9 years out of 10. i don't know why there is so much hand-wringing going on over this. the old system was the top 2 teams in the country playing, we're just expanding the field to generate more money.

Notre Dame gets a seat at the table with all the other conferences. That's like Tech or Alabama getting their own personal representative. FSU would rather have their own rep than Swofford at the table. If they want an independent rep at the table, rotate it with reps from Navy or Army too. If Notre Dame can be ranked in the top 10, then they have a chance to make the BCS playoffs. Notre Dame will always get a BCS bowl over schools like Tech and Wisconsin if the choice is between them and those schools since Notre Dame is a national brand. I can only see a few schools like Alabama and Texas actually beating out Notre Dame for an at large bowl spot. Even after 20 years of mediocrity, Notre Dame is still the media darling and will receive special consideration.

[BUGGZY]

Notre Dame gets a seat at the table with all the other conferences. That's like Tech or Alabama getting their own personal representative. FSU would rather have their own rep than Swofford at the table. If they want an independent rep at the table, rotate it with reps from Navy or Army too. If Notre Dame can be ranked in the top 10, then they have a chance to make the BCS playoffs. Notre Dame will always get a BCS bowl over schools like Tech and Wisconsin if the choice is between them and those schools since Notre Dame is a national brand. I can only see a few schools like Alabama and Texas actually beating out Notre Dame for an at large bowl spot. Even after 20 years of mediocrity, Notre Dame is still the media darling and will receive special consideration.

but as you said, so will 'Bama and Texas and USC-w, etc...they're not the only one getting special consideration. Notre Dame is technically representing the independent schools (though we all know that means they are looking out for themselves). i get that, but i don't think it's anyone's place to force a university to join a league. the simply way to ensure Notre Dame earns it is to create rules, either for the poll used or for the selection committee. #10 ND isn't going to get picked over a #4 school. beyond that, ND won't get any treatment that Michigan, Texas, 'Bama, tOSU, etc wouldn't also get. their independence has nothing to do with that.

if you forced them into a league, you would likely be making their schedule EASIER and they would STILL get the same preferential treatment they get today...