Expansion is a poker game, you only play your cards when you have to.

[ColumbusHokie]

It seems to me the Big12 have done their homework with FSU and CU and they know what the answer will be.

They have rattled their sabers about expansion to try and get the ACC to go along with a top four playoff model. The ACC desperately wants a conference champ model.

If a conference champ model is chosen they take the two schools. Triggering a collapse of the ACC and the big four consolidates power, making the other conferences irrelevant.

If a top four model is chosen they stay at ten and make big $ on the bowl with the SEC. They become a very rich conference with goliaths at the top. This also weakens the ACC and in the long run results in irrelevancy.

This was over when the SEC and Big 12 partnered on the bowl.

Now the Big 12 waits to see if the end game plays out in the next couple of years, or over the next decade.

The only hope I see for the ACC lies in the comforting arms of touchdown Jesus. ND can save the ACC from financial obscurity. The other ray of hope? A hail Mary, long bomb in the form of an 8 team playoff.

All this looks good on paper, but like any good poker game, I am sure someone has something up their sleeve.

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[hokiebob01]

It seems to me the Big12 have done their homework with FSU and CU and they know what the answer will be.

They have rattled their sabers about expansion to try and get the ACC to go along with a top four playoff model. The ACC desperately wants a conference champ model.

If a conference champ model is chosen they take the two schools. Triggering a collapse of the ACC and the big four consolidates power, making the other conferences irrelevant.

If a top four model is chosen they stay at ten and make big $ on the bowl with the SEC. They become a very rich conference with goliaths at the top. This also weakens the ACC and in the long run results in irrelevancy.

This was over when the SEC and Big 12 partnered on the bowl.

Now the Big 12 waits to see if the end game plays out in the next couple of years, or over the next decade.

The only hope I see for the ACC lies in the comforting arms of touchdown Jesus. ND can save the ACC from financial obscurity. The other ray of hope? A hail Mary, long bomb in the form of an 8 team playoff.

All this looks good on paper, but like any good poker game, I am sure someone has something up their sleeve.

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It must be nice to live in your world. your imagination is so vivid.

[Old Line Hokie]

It seems to me the Big12 have done their homework with FSU and CU and they know what the answer will be.

They have rattled their sabers about expansion to try and get the ACC to go along with a top four playoff model. The ACC desperately wants a conference champ model.

If a conference champ model is chosen they take the two schools. Triggering a collapse of the ACC and the big four consolidates power, making the other conferences irrelevant.

If a top four model is chosen they stay at ten and make big $ on the bowl with the SEC. They become a very rich conference with goliaths at the top. This also weakens the ACC and in the long run results in irrelevancy.

This was over when the SEC and Big 12 partnered on the bowl.

Now the Big 12 waits to see if the end game plays out in the next couple of years, or over the next decade.

The only hope I see for the ACC lies in the comforting arms of touchdown Jesus. ND can save the ACC from financial obscurity. The other ray of hope? A hail Mary, long bomb in the form of an 8 team playoff.

All this looks good on paper, but like any good poker game, I am sure someone has something up their sleeve.

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Best way to remedy this problem is for the ACC to beat the SEC in most head-to-head games. That means FSU over UF, GT over UGa, Clemson over USC-E, NC State over Tenn. this season, Tech over Bama next year, ... Plus the ACC has to win their big non-conference games vs. the so-called superior conferences like the Big 10 and Big 12. Maybe once the ACC's backs are against the wall, they will begin playing better (survival mode).

[ColumbusHokie]

It must be nice to live in your world. your imagination is so vivid.

It is nice to live in my world, you should join me. It is a world where message boards are used to share ideas, crazy, I know.


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[HokieNC]

It is nice to live in my world, you should join me. It is a world where message boards are used to share ideas, crazy, I know.


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bob still thinks no foul on unc...meanwhile hc gone, 15 schollies lost, probation, etc and under follow on state investigation.

[BazHokie]

If the "Top 4" model is chosen, then the Champions Bowl would most likely be the #3 SEC team vs the #2 Big 12 team.

So, if by "big $" you mean Cotton Bowl money...then you're right.

[ColumbusHokie]

If the "Top 4" model is chosen, then the Champions Bowl would most likely be the #3 SEC team vs the #2 Big 12 team.

So, if by "big $" you mean Cotton Bowl money...then you're right.

Cotton bowl money is HUGE when their is no bowl committee involved. They will make millions for each conference, much more than a current BCS payout. That is Big $


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[NaturalStateReb]

It seems to me the Big12 have done their homework with FSU and CU and they know what the answer will be.

They have rattled their sabers about expansion to try and get the ACC to go along with a top four playoff model. The ACC desperately wants a conference champ model.

If a conference champ model is chosen they take the two schools. Triggering a collapse of the ACC and the big four consolidates power, making the other conferences irrelevant.

If a top four model is chosen they stay at ten and make big $ on the bowl with the SEC. They become a very rich conference with goliaths at the top. This also weakens the ACC and in the long run results in irrelevancy.

This was over when the SEC and Big 12 partnered on the bowl.

Now the Big 12 waits to see if the end game plays out in the next couple of years, or over the next decade.

The only hope I see for the ACC lies in the comforting arms of touchdown Jesus. ND can save the ACC from financial obscurity. The other ray of hope? A hail Mary, long bomb in the form of an 8 team playoff.

All this looks good on paper, but like any good poker game, I am sure someone has something up their sleeve.

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The Big 12 isn't really required to choose between your options: they can get the top-4 model and snap off Florida State and Clemson. You're right that the algebra changed when the Big 12 signed on with the SEC. When the ACC decided to part company with the SEC over the playoff format, the SEC knew it was time to find a new negoatiating partner; the only real alternative out there was the Big 12. Swofford's ill-considered play for Notre Dame had the effect of sawing off the branch he was sitting on.