This bowl game has nothing to do with the playoff. With the playoff coming, bowl games are now even more irrelevant then they were in the past. How does this change anything from a conference standpoint? If the playoff ends up being the highest ranked conference champions as it looks like it will be, being in the ACC and being undefeated will still guarantee you a spot in the playoffs. I just don't understand all the sky is falling talk.
Side note: The ACC needs to be in serious discussions with Notre Dame right now as it is clear that they are going to have to join a conference. They can either join the conference they have figured they would join (the ACC) or be forced to join the Big 12 or Big 10.
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Sat May 19 2012, 12:50 AM #1Hokie!
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I just don't get how this Big-12 SEC thing changes anything
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Sat May 19 2012, 01:22 AM #2Senior Member
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Not necessarily. For the ACC to now get a team in the 4 team playoff, it'll need to be undefeated and have a bit of luck on its side to get in the Top 4. Unfortunately, the reality is now that the ACC will be an outsider to the 'power' conferences in football. We're now going to deal with the perception (as fair or unfair as it may be) that going undefeated in this conference will not be as impressive as coming away with 1 loss in the Big Four. I mean, look at how tough it has been for the likes of Boise, Utah, TCU, etc to get into the Top 4 in recent years even with undefeated seasons. In the immediate future, this might not be the case for the ACC, but over time, it will get there.
Originally Posted by VB Hokie 08
The main problem I see is that the ACC's champion is no longer guaranteed to play in a marquee game against the champion of one of the Big Four. At best, we'll be relegated to playing the runner-up in one of those conferences. When you're in a situation where your champion is stuck with having no choice but to accept the leftovers of the leftovers from the other guys, you're no longer a major player in the game. In that regard, we're now equals with the likes of the Big East (minus WVU, Cuse, and Pitt), the Mountain West, Conference USA, the MAC, the WAC, etc. Thats the major problem we now face, and because of the alliances that have been formed, we now have no way of fixing it.
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Sat May 19 2012, 04:23 AM #3
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I mentioned this already on the Realignment Board, but it's not like the ACC's champion has been guaranteed such a game in the recent history of the BCS. The last time the ACC Champ got to play a champion from one of the "Big Four" was after the 2005 season when FSU played Penn State, and the only reason it happened that year was because the Rose Bowl was hosting the national championship game (this was prior to the double hosting model). We weren't going to be getting these games anyway. The Big Four champs were committed to other bowl games (Rose, Sugar, and Fiesta). The good thing about the new model is that the ACC Champ WON'T be stuck playing a lackluster Big East or non-BCS team. The Orange Bowl will always have the freedom to take a #2 or 3 team from the Big 10 or Pac 12 or a #2, 3, or 4 team from the SEC or Big 12 (depending on who gets into the playoffs in a given year). This is a clear upgrade. Originally Posted by NCHokie83
The objective isn't to have the ACC Champ play a "Big Four" Champ in the Orange Bowl anyway. The objective is for the ACC Champ to qualify for the four-team playoff. And nothing about this announcement today should really impact the likelihood of that happening.
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Sat May 19 2012, 07:52 AM #4Hokie!
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most important issue is that conf.'s are going to start controlling the bowls.......not just aggreeing to provide a team.
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Sat May 19 2012, 08:07 AM #5Hokie!
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Seem to remember VT finishing a very close 3rd in the BCS standings at the end of the regular season just a couple years ago...
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Sat May 19 2012, 08:08 AM #6
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Originally Posted by 82hokie
Yeah, I don't get the doom and gloom talk either. You either play your way to top 4 or not.
The X-factor is the conferences taking over the Bowl business. The Big 12 has a huge advantage with the latest and greatest venue being in Texas and the desire for that site to break into the former Orange/Sugar/Fiesta/Rose elite bowl status. The good and bad is it will set up more bidding wars and the price of a ticket will be astronomical for the average fan trying to follow his team to the game. I hope the Texas site wins and opens the Sugar to the ACC more times than not.
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Sat May 19 2012, 08:27 AM #7Hokie!
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The bowls won't be irrelevant. The big ones are still money makers and this is about the power conferences controlling them. The SEC and Big12 are telling the PAC12 and Big10(?) that they can control a major bowl just like they control the Rose Bowl. The ACC is going to get left out either way...be a cold day in hell before an ACC team not named FSU or Miami end up in a playoff. Now they'll be eliminated from playing the remaining top teams in the SEC and Big12 too.
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Sat May 19 2012, 08:29 AM #8Hokie!
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...because 3rd didn't mean anything
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Sat May 19 2012, 09:22 AM #9
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Correct on bowls incorrect on playoffs. 13-0 ACC will be in top 4 90+% of the time**
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You're under the assumption that being in the ACC carries any kind of weight anymore. Originally Posted by Colonel Jessup
FSU and Miami have been down for a long while. If they finish undefeated, they would have a better chance of getting into the playoff, but lets not assume that its a foregone conclusion. And lastly, lets not assume either sticks around in the ACC long enough to figure out if they would be left out (FSU moreso than Miami in that part).
The rest of us? We'll need to finish undefeated and have a bit of luck on our side. Clemson and VT would certainly have an upper-hand on the rest and would be able to get in easier over an undefeated UNC, Maryland, GT, NCSU, etc. But lets not assume that we'd automatically be in. We'd have to finish undefeated and weather the onslaught of "is an undefeated ACC team really more worthy of a 1 loss SEC team?"
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