Rob Ehsan leaving VT for UAB, per Twitter.

[Groff]

And you'll find reasons to criticize Greenberg as long as he's here. You've assigned claims to me that are false, but that's certainly not the first time, nor will it be the last. You and I won't agree on this matter, so no need to pointlessly argue with you. Enjoy your day.

So you can dish it out but you can't take it? Makes sense.

I hope you have a fine day as well.

[Pylons]

I can see the football staff not having a problem with TSL. If Seth doesn't have a problem with TSL, then he isn't aware of what is posted here about him.

yeah, the football staff never gets criticized

[VTECHFAN]

I think there may be something to this....

With his brother, you have to wonder if maybe he could accept "NO" from him but maybe some of these other guys, he isn't giving that leeway to. His brother brought a lot of positives to the table. It's too bad he has that show cause on him now because it would have been great to get him back.

[Gobbler Guru]

So are you saying that hiring SG was a mistake? If that's the case, and Weaver were to come out in public and admit "his mistake", the list of coaches that would even consider coming to VT to coach would shrink to a half dozen or so junior high school coaches from Alaska.

Calling CSG's work at VT over the last 9 years a mistake is just plain craziness...and that's being nice.

Weaver chose to hire a coach on the cheap who was one step ahead of the posse at his previous stop. A coach whose body of work pre-VT was perfectly indicative of what he has done at VT. SG is what he is... an above-.500 coach for sure, but one who will rarely get his teams to achieve anything meaningful in the postseason.

Was SG preferable to the two vastly unqualified coaches who preceded him at VT? Yes. Could VT have done better than SG? I believe the answer to that question is also yes. And do I think that Weaver is a very proud and stubborn AD who will only admit a mistake when backed into a corner? Yes again. Just look at how he let Stokes and Dunkenberger run their respective programs totally into the ground before finally pulling the trigger.

[amptech]

You may well be proven correct when the dust finally settles. For me, if and when that day comes, that will mark the end of my financial support for basketball at VT. I'll do what I can to prevent any of my dollars, as few as they might be, from going to basketball. Should that somehow not be possible, then I will end my support completely. I won't accept or support a program which knowingly supports and, in some odd way, actually enjoys last place. You may well think "good riddance to bad rubbish", and that's OK with both of us. But don't complain about lack of fan support or financial support. Most of us will not indefinitely support a program condemned to endless last place by design. I know that I don't expect or require ACC regular season or tournament championships. I suspect that most of us don't. What I do require-in fact demand-are some occasional NCAA tournament appearances and no last place finishes in the conference standings, including 2-way or 3-way ties for the last place. Without question Seth has been a failure in the NCAA tournament part of this business, and it's becoming more likely by the day that he will fail to keep us from the bottom of the heap as well. I don't dislike Seth personally. In fact, I think the best possible outcome for us is for him to get past this stumble and succeed, at least in the way I define it. Unfortunately, time is running out and I don't anticipate enough improvement over the next couple of seasons to warrant keeping him around after that. To me Seth is defined by the phrase "next year". But somehow, "next year" never seems to become "this year".

Wow that is a leap from what I said. I don't know anyone who enjoys last place and since Seth, being there is a rarity.

But 3 out of 4 years of being at least a "bubble" NCAA team suggest to me that we aren't that far from inching into 1 out of 4 or 2 out of 4 NCAA teams.IN fact, I would suggest that at least one and maybe 2 of those years was more about upset winners in tourneys etc than it was about VT not being tourney worthy.

Certainly 3 out of 4 bubble years is not anything to be satisfied with but thre really is only one question and that is what is the probability that we can hire someone to replace Seth and do better, right out of the gate?

If you can't give a coach a "throw away" season or two here and there when only 2 players ever played in their conference tourney before, then I doubt anyone will ever satisfy you.

Seems to me we are much closer to being a team just above "bubble" to "bubble." right now. Again not where we want to be but not worthy of firing a coach when we have more chance of the next Bobby Hussey or Ricky Stokes than we do of a Charlie Moir or Don Devoe. And a coach of their caliber is all we can reasonable hope to attract to Blacksburg at this time.

[amptech]

Or maybe it's not Seth at all. What if it isn't?

[Hokie in NC]

I agree. It just doesn't add up. Too many defections and too little NCAA apprearances. The guy is just not cutting it. What amuses me is the spin that SG lovers put on these statistics.

[Hokie in NC]

Excellent point and it may very well be the "human stuff" that is delaying our emergence in basketball.

[pebblebrookhokie]

And I just love some of the stuff bashers attribute to him. People who have never seen him interact with players or assistant coaches in a public setting want to pass judgement based on scuttlebutt about what may or may not be happening. Are there issues, of course, every major program has them.

Ok what have you seen from Seth? One NCAA bid.. ODU, VCU, Mason have more and NSU is tied with us.. What else do you need to see? As a previous quote said-- he has no system. Have you seen our offence its offensive.. You can rail against Beamer for not winning the big game, but at least we play in them..

[pebblebrookhokie]

I think there may be something to this....

With his brother, you have to wonder if maybe he could accept "NO" from him but maybe some of these other guys, he isn't giving that leeway to. His brother brought a lot of positives to the table. It's too bad he has that show cause on him now because it would have been great to get him back.

His brother was also a good X and 0 guy.. notice how we have regressed since he left.