Seth Greenberg is really good on the Sports Center Live program-

[KP Texas]

Well, which is it? Did he recruit all week, or is this a dead period? You guys just throw anything out and hope it sticks?

Here is exactly what I said:

"I'm not up on the latest recruiting rules, but if possible,..."

So, at least I admitted that I didn't know right up front, but at least one of you guys is wrong!

Now I posted an opinion, which some may or may not agree with. Hey, that's what we do on here, and that's all good.

But what's not OK is call people names, which, IMHO, falls squarely on the shoulders of the pro CSG side.

Let's just look at some examples:




And another, which is the most viscous smear tactic that one can imagine:



In this latter case, no one that is pro CSG stepped up and said this is way over the line. But you will damn sure call me out or others, if you don't agree with us. That's called hypocrisy.

When there are two opposing opinions and one side cannot support their argument, they often resort to trying to destroy the logic of the other side with name calling.

The fact is, here we all are watching March Madness from the sidelines for yet another year (8 out 9 years), and all we can crow about is how good CSG is on TV!! Or how badly UVA got waxed. Good grief!

I tell you what, when CSG does an in-home visit, he has a hell of alot to overcome, and it's not whether B'Burg is urban enough.

It's his own resume.

Great players want to play for great coaches or at the very least for coaches that have a history of getting to the dance.

And after his in-home visit, coach "X", who has a decent history of getting to the dance, will, more than likely, persuade the great recruit away from VT because of this one fact alone. The biggest recruiting obstacle CSG has to overcome is himself. Period!!

More to the point, the recruit most likely has never heard of Stokes and Hussy, and he is evaluating our coach relative to his peers.

But THAT exercise seems just too much for some on here to consider.

Here's the point...it's not about your opinion on the coach. We all know what your opinion is on CSG. It's about invading a thread relating to his work on Sportscenter with your predictable negativety. I can respect your opinion, even though I think you're wrong. When you make a statement so obviously intended to crack back on the guy, and it's based on ignorance, it bothers me.

Seriously...don't give me this "I might not know the rules" stuff. That's like saying "with all due respect, go F yourself!". You don't care what the facts might show... We get it already, move on.

To answer your question though...there is no face to face contact off campus allowed last week, although there is a contact period this week. I would bet CSG is on top of it though.

[nc_hokie87]

I live in the midst of the Duke, UNC, and NCSU crowd and they like Seth but admit that he would never get a long term contract at their school. In short, they love laughing at us.

I live in the midst of the same schools fans and we must know zero of the same people. They actually sympathize with our terrible luck, injuries and snubs, and think we would be idiots to fire what they consider a good coach in Greenberg.

[nc_hokie87]

INSANE. I can about dang near guarantee you that calling a recruit and saying hey "watch me on Sportscenter" is better than your average in home visit. And BTW, you can't have but so many "contacts" of the inhome variety per year. Get real. You've really lost all credibility with this one. Your BS is getting old. I hope everybody sees you for what you are. You're more anti CSG than you are pro VT. Please do us a favor and just find another team to cheer for, or against as is the case here.

Unfortunately he isn't the only one on the board like this. Easier for him to criticize a guy he hates than to actually educate himself on the subject he criticizes Seth for

[nc_hokie87]

Seth's issues are that by the time the players become juniors and seniors, they are absolutely tired of his constant criticism and hammering them with everything they have done wrong. Watch the difference with Shaka Smart and how his kids respond to him

Do you know any players or have any inside info to back this up? Last I checked coach Greenberg and Erick Green were tweeting back and forth to each other this morning laughing...... I'd be interested to hear which juniors and seniors are "absolutely tired of his constant criticism and hammering them".... please inform us.

[nc_hokie87]

Well, which is it? Did he recruit all week, or is this a dead period? You guys just throw anything out and hope it sticks?

Here is exactly what I said:

"I'm not up on the latest recruiting rules, but if possible,..."

So, at least I admitted that I didn't know right up front

Proud of your ignorance on the subject.... congratulations. As for "throwing anything out hoping it sticks".... isn't that EXACTLY what you just did? Throw out "he should be recruiting".... hoping it sticks.... while admittedly being an uneducated fool on the subject of your critique?

[nc_hokie87]

Seth has always managed to mention VaTech every time he's on camera. I guess some folks don't understand how important building a brand is these days, and instead just look for any negative to slam Greenberg unnecessarily. Greenberg being on TV as a representative of VT is free advertising for us as much as for him. I still don't understand why people choose to deliberately ignore that.

Well, screw the idiotic posters who choose to deliberately ignore that because they hate our head coach. Our best incoming recruit, Montrezl Harrell, certainly noticed Seth Greenberg being on ESPN, and "retweeted" the following:

"Seth going toe to toe with Digger lmao - I love it. #Hokies"

and

"I love seeing Seth on Sportscenter!!! #Hokies"

There is no point discussing anything related to Seth with the posters who have made up their mind to try and run him out of town with torches and pitchforks.... When hatred overtakes logic, it is time to stop the back and forth... you simply cannot with an argument or have a good debate with someone who is illogical

[VPI63]

....When hatred overtakes logic....you simply cannot with an argument or have a good debate with someone who is illogical

.....I know no one admits it but damn I swear some of our fans cheer against Seth because they'd rather see him ousted than succeed as our bball coach (maybe because he's from NY? because he's jewish?).

Well, that last statement of yours is a model of logic, or can it be characterized more as model of hate?

There is a part of me that really feels sorry for you. Only a very sick mind would throw that kind of manure around, and it has no part in a civil discourse or a "good debate".

[nc_hokie87]

Well, that last statement of yours is a model of logic, or can it be characterized more as model of hate?

There is a part of me that really feels sorry for you. Only a very sick mind would throw that kind of manure around, and it has no part in a civil discourse or a "good debate".

There is no debate.... you just hate the VT basketball coach and will use any opportunity to bash or lay blame on him

[VPI63]

INSANE. I can about dang near guarantee you that calling a recruit and saying hey "watch me on Sportscenter" is better than your average in home visit.

Well, no I don't think so.

A coach that is competing for this recruit, may well text said recruit right after winning the game that sends his team to the Sweet Sixteen. He might even say, play for us and you can be here to, not staying home and watching that VT coach on TV.

Look at that VT's coach's record. He has only danced once in nine years and we've only missed 1 in 9 years.

Pretty compelling sales pitch if you ask me.

Are we all not like this hypothetical recruit?

Wouldn't we all rather see our coach and our team at the dance coaching, rather than Watching him on Sports Center?

Again, while some here are comparing CSG to Stokes and Hussy, the prized recruit is comparing him to his peers.

And that, in a nutshell, exposes the straw man argument, and explains why some have to invent urban relevance, cows, diversity, etc., to divert attention from the heart of the issue.

And that is CSG's lifetime resume vs. the resume of other quality coaches.

And no amount of name calling can change this simple fact of BB recruiting.

Fire away!

[DeBord]

The other issue is who wants to play in the point per minute, watch the paint dry offense ?

Have you seen any of the Tourney teams playing Seth-ball ?

What I have seen is a lot of average sized teams with average athletic talent playing well together in a scheme, some people refer to it as teamwork.

Yes, I have seen a tourney team playing worse than "Seth-ball". Did you see South Florida play? They redefined ugly. What did they have...like 9 points for most of the first half? I couldn't watch any more of that horrible mess.