What is an acceptable frequency of the Hokies dancing for Seth or any VT basketball

[SteveInBaltimore]

He did enough to not get in. Snubs are completely irrelevant to the conversation when you're losing 12+ games a year. We could have made it to the tourney a couple of times, but we did enough to make it a beauty contest. Living on the bubble isn't the way to go.

So in other words, Greenberg would be a better coach if he had made it twice than once, in your opinion?

In 2008, Georgia made a miracle run through the SEC tournament, starting with a losing record, and stole a spot in the nCAA tournament. The NIT, chosen by the same folks that choose the NCAA, chose us as a #1 seed. So it stands to reason we would have made it if not for Georgia's run.

So, you honestly believe that Greenberg would be a better coach, if Georgia hadn't won those games?

I understand using some sort of numeric cutoff to set a standard, but I don't think everything is so black and white. It's like I said in another thread, suppose an employer were to automatically hire someone with a 3.23 GPA over someone with a 3.22 GPA from the same school, regardless of how the two people interviewed, what other things were on their resume, what life experience they had, or any other factors. That kind of rigidity is, in my opinion, idiotic. Not acknowledging that we are very, very close to having 3 or 4 NCAA appearances in the past 6 years, to rely on just the binary "made it" or "didn't make it" to evaluate someone's performance is simplistic and unrealistic.

[133743Hokie]

So SG should have done more so VT wasn't "close", i.e. get off the bubble and get in. There is a difference in being an 8 seed and being on the bubble. SG hasn't done enough to move VT more towards the 8 seed -- he's kept VT on the bubble or below.

[NC Hoke]

I just don't think it's a fair measuring stick anymore given the snubs of past years. Yeah, you could argue that SG shot himself in the foot with his public comments about the selection committee, but that should not have been held against the team, if it was. Bottom line, SG did enough to earn a few bids VT didn't get. While I'm not 100% in his corner, the lack of NCAA bids is not among the things I would fault him for.

Crediting Greenberg with bids he didn't earn makes no sense. There's a reason he didn't get the bids. We need to acknowledge the reasons and fix them.

Any goal less tham two out of every four years is an unacceptably low bar for any ACC program.

[hokiepro]

If you're not trying to make the tournament and using actually making said tournament as an evaluation metric, then what's the point?

I'm sorry but "doing enough to make the tournament" just isn't good enough after a decade. At some point you have to both actually "do enough" *and* make the bloody thing. You play to make the tournament, if we abandon that as a goal, we may as well scrap the whole program. Seriously, take the millions we're paying the coach and using to build practice facilities and such and spend it on the baseball program or something.

To the Original Poster: I think that a 40%-50% tournament appearance rate is a reasonable expectation. I also think that after a decade, actual appearances need to be the evaluation metric as opposed to hypothetical appearances.

Whether Seth is coach or not, the NCAA committee will still hate VT. They did in 1996, they did in the 1980s when Dell Curry played. This is not a new phenomenon. Even when we got in with a GREAT record in 1996 they put us in the 8-9 game opposite #1 overall seed Kentucky. In 1986 we somehow drew defending national champ Villanova.

Seth has put us IN the tournament 3 times...the committee decided to screw us twice...plain and simple.

[TabbHokie]

Why is that? Committee members don't serve 15 year terms do they?

[hokiepro]

Crediting Greenberg with bids he didn't earn makes no sense. There's a reason he didn't get the bids. We need to acknowledge the reasons and fix them.

Any goal less tham two out of every four years is an unacceptably low bar for any ACC program.

OK...so how does Jim Weaver get on the committee instead of one of our conf. opponent's ADs who makes sure his team (that we beat and finished ahead of in conf.) gets in and we don't??? That would fix it.

[InsaneHokie]

I think about 40% is acceptable. According to some like SteveinBaltimore never is fine and will still get his support despite the lack of success.

[Hokie Flyer]

In the last 50 yrs VT has made the NCAAs 8 times. So that is 1 very 6 times. We should certainly strive to do better than this, if making the NCAA is the only criteria. Under Moir we made the NCAA 1 every 3 yrs roughly. So I think it is reasonable to have a goal that we make 1 every 3 yrs. Of course there are other considerations. Early in CSG career he took over a program in the cellar that had potential so I would not expect much in the early CSG years. Right now we should be averaging 1 in 4 with an outlook of improving to 1 in 3 or even 1 in 2. I am hopeful that we make 2 out of the next 4 yrs; this will convince me we are on the right track; otherwise I would reevaluate my position. Right now it looks (barring any "bad luck") that we may actually start the fall practice without any injuries or other issues hanging over our heads. That should bode well for the season.

[NC Hoke]

OK...so how does Jim Weaver get on the committee instead of one of our conf. opponent's ADs who makes sure his team (that we beat and finished ahead of in conf.) gets in and we don't??? That would fix it.

If that's the issue or one of the issues, then that is exactly the kind of situation that is Weaver's responsibility to get into the middle of and get corrected. If he doesn't do it, who will?

[NC Hoke]

So SG should have done more so VT wasn't "close", i.e. get off the bubble and get in. There is a difference in being an 8 seed and being on the bubble. SG hasn't done enough to move VT more towards the 8 seed -- he's kept VT on the bubble or below.

Right. This is where the rubber meets the road with Greenberg IMO. Its hard to argue he didn't do some things to make VT competitive in the ACC ahead of time, it's just that this is the point where he has reached his ceiling.