What is an acceptable frequency of the Hokies dancing for Seth or any VT basketball

[TabbHokie]

coach. As posted below, ESPN has a story about #1 2013 recruit Jabari Parker, who Illinois has recruited since he was a 5th grader, watching the Bruce Weber situation closely, as he is expected to be fired for missing the dance for the 3rd time in 9 years. Seth has taken VT to the dance once, 2007, in 9 years. So how often should Hokiefans expect to dance? For the Seth supporters, how many more years support does he have?

[Chip Hilton]

The average Big 6 conference school goes to the NCAAs about 42% of the time.

[reestuart]

coach. As posted below, ESPN has a story about #1 2013 recruit Jabari Parker, who Illinois has recruited since he was a 5th grader, watching the Bruce Weber situation closely, as he is expected to be fired for missing the dance for the 3rd time in 9 years. Seth has taken VT to the dance once, 2007, in 9 years. So how often should Hokiefans expect to dance? For the Seth supporters, how many more years support does he have?

Average about every other year.

[Tafkam Hokie]

coach. As posted below, ESPN has a story about #1 2013 recruit Jabari Parker, who Illinois has recruited since he was a 5th grader, watching the Bruce Weber situation closely, as he is expected to be fired for missing the dance for the 3rd time in 9 years. Seth has taken VT to the dance once, 2007, in 9 years. So how often should Hokiefans expect to dance? For the Seth supporters, how many more years support does he have?

Looking at this from an ultra-high level, it looks like VT is hovering around the top-30 in athletic revenues. Not sure our exact ranking, but UCLA at #25 pulls in $65M and VT has revenues of $63M.

With 36 at-large bids available in the NCAA tournament, an athletic department in the top-30 that cares about basketball should be competing for one of those at-large bids virtually every year, and probably get a bid a smidge over half the time.

[501]

I just don't think it's a fair measuring stick anymore given the snubs of past years. Yeah, you could argue that SG shot himself in the foot with his public comments about the selection committee, but that should not have been held against the team, if it was. Bottom line, SG did enough to earn a few bids VT didn't get. While I'm not 100% in his corner, the lack of NCAA bids is not among the things I would fault him for.

[TabbHokie]

VT is 66-71 in the ACC under Seth, and finished this season in a 4 way tie for the cellar

[Hokie'79]

a post last night pointed out that we have been in the top 4 of the conference 5 of 8 years; how many ACC programs can say that (other than Duke and UNC)? All of the rest have their down years also.

[Groff]

a post last night pointed out that we have been in the top 4 of the conference 5 of 8 years; how many ACC programs can say that (other than Duke and UNC)? All of the rest have their down years also.

Most of those that you referred to have also replaced their head coaches as a result.

That said, we have been a major benefactor of an exceptionally unbalanced conference schedule in our favor most, if not all of those years. The "Epic Posts" board has the actual numbers, they are very illuminating.

Part of the problem with the whole "Top 4 of the conference X number of years, 10 ACC wins and left out, etc..." is that it's blanket statements made that are basically using the old 9 team ACC with a round robin as the reference point. There is a such a difference now with 12 teams and an unbalanced schedule, that straight number of conference wins or regular season conference rank don't mean a whole lot without further analysis.

[Groff]

I just don't think it's a fair measuring stick anymore given the snubs of past years. Yeah, you could argue that SG shot himself in the foot with his public comments about the selection committee, but that should not have been held against the team, if it was. Bottom line, SG did enough to earn a few bids VT didn't get. While I'm not 100% in his corner, the lack of NCAA bids is not among the things I would fault him for.

If you're not trying to make the tournament and using actually making said tournament as an evaluation metric, then what's the point?

I'm sorry but "doing enough to make the tournament" just isn't good enough after a decade. At some point you have to both actually "do enough" *and* make the bloody thing. You play to make the tournament, if we abandon that as a goal, we may as well scrap the whole program. Seriously, take the millions we're paying the coach and using to build practice facilities and such and spend it on the baseball program or something.

To the Original Poster: I think that a 40%-50% tournament appearance rate is a reasonable expectation. I also think that after a decade, actual appearances need to be the evaluation metric as opposed to hypothetical appearances.

[hokiepro]

If you're not trying to make the tournament and using actually making said tournament as an evaluation metric, then what's the point?

I'm sorry but "doing enough to make the tournament" just isn't good enough after a decade. At some point you have to both actually "do enough" *and* make the bloody thing. You play to make the tournament, if we abandon that as a goal, we may as well scrap the whole program. Seriously, take the millions we're paying the coach and using to build practice facilities and such and spend it on the baseball program or something.

To the Original Poster: I think that a 40%-50% tournament appearance rate is a reasonable expectation. I also think that after a decade, actual appearances need to be the evaluation metric as opposed to hypothetical appearances.

Whether Seth is coach or not, the NCAA committee will still hate VT. They did in 1996, they did in the 1980s when Dell Curry played. This is not a new phenomenon. Even when we got in with a GREAT record in 1996 they put us in the 8-9 game opposite #1 overall seed Kentucky. In 1986 we somehow drew defending national champ Villanova.

Seth has put us IN the tournament 3 times...the committee decided to screw us twice...plain and simple.