Quote Originally Posted by King of Hokies View Post
Did I say that? No. I was replying to one specific point, in a very specific manner.
Yes you did say that, you chastised another poster for their intellectual dishonesty in this very thread.

Don't be a douche.
Personal attacks are completely uncalled for, I'm concerned how often people are getting away with this kind of behavior. I don't see really what attacking me personally adds to the discussion or to this board.

Also, if the NCAA committee doesn't keep us out of the tourney in several of the last years who knows what we would have accomplished? You have no clue how close we were to not being in that 1995 Sugar Bowl which was the pinnacle of Beamer's resume until 1999 (and arguably still is given the loss in that 1999 game).

If we don't get to the Sugar Bowl in 1995 is Beamer's resume that first 10 years that great? Are ass kickings in 1994, 1996 and 1997 bowl games really all that?
You can make any series of "what if" scenarios and hypothetical situations to make any points you want, I prefer to discuss reality. The reality is that, over the comparison period as chosen by the original poster, Beamer had accomplished far more in the post season than Greenberg has ever even dreamed of. It's so not even close, Greenberg has not done anything that even sniffs beating Texas in the Sugar Bowl, he just hasn't. And you can create any number of alternate universes where any number of things that didn't actually happened to make any points you want.

What if Frank Beamer was a woman and never actually played or coached football and in that same universe Seth Greenberg won 18 national championships in a row? Then, in that universe (just like all of your non-existent realities) Seth Greenberg would be the better coach who had accomplished more before his "down year." But in this real world where real stuff has really happened, it's not even comparable.