Cville/Rev - Jeff Capel

[Hokiestud]

Lighten up, Francis.

[HokieJamie]

Excellent post! You echo the thoughts of many of us here. I also believe that it is possible to build a great BBall program here with the right combination of financial investment and forward vision.

A financial investment that has been pointed out before Jim Weaver will probably not make. He will not spend over $2 mil on a coach, which severly limits the pedigree of someone you would bring in to replace CSG

Cville is not the only one to point out the limitations of the program. CC has said this over and over for 2-3 years and had other people in the coaching arena back him up on it. There are structural disadvantages in place for a hoops program at VT. They are very hard to overcome unless you went ape and spent 4-5 mil a year to bring in a true "name" coach.

[VPI63]

A financial investment that has been pointed out before Jim Weaver will probably not make. He will not spend over $2 mil on a coach, which severly limits the pedigree of someone you would bring in to replace CSG

Cville is not the only one to point out the limitations of the program. CC has said this over and over for 2-3 years and had other people in the coaching arena back him up on it. There are structural disadvantages in place for a hoops program at VT. They are very hard to overcome unless you went ape and spent 4-5 mil a year to bring in a true "name" coach.

Again, a valid static assessment.

A valid dynamic assessment is with a great coach (a relatively unknown that relishes the challenges of overcoming obstacles) that builds the program to a top tier level, the money will be there just as it was when CFB threatened to head for UNC.

For SteveA:

The point of my post was to frame my argument for the possibility of an exceptional VT BB program, not to compare CFB with CSG.

But since you brought this comparison up, the "minor" 2 bowls that you brought up that occurred under CFB in his 1st 8 years constituted 25% of all the post season bowls that VT had been involved in up to that point. And folks were tinkled pink at that time to go to those bowls, since it was the first time that we went to back-to-back bowls.

If the NIT had not lost it's luster, then VT going there would be equivalent. Whatever the case, VT has not accomplished much in the NIT under CSG.

In addition, CSG is well into his 9th year. Unless, VT wins the ACCT (which I would love to see, BTW), CSG will have come up 1 for 9 for the NCAAT.

CFB in his 9th year lead us to the Sugar Bowl win over Texas, which in my mind was VT's signature win that put us on the path to the level we are presently at.

In short, there is no comparison between what CFB accomplished in his 1st 9 years, especially given what he had to work with. If you are trying to tear down CFB in order to build CSG up, that will be a difficult task, IMHO.

And to C'ville for favorably comparing CSG < .500 ACC record with the likes of Cremins, and Valvano, I will say it again. That was the old ACC, and it was much better top to bottom and you know it full well.

And just in case someone has just stumbled upon this post and haven't read my other posts, none of this means that CSG is a bad coach. But, IMHO, his upside is limited by his temperment, style, and this is substantiated by his lifetime statistics.

I see this year as a reversion to the mean, whereas a couple of his earlier years with VT were his +2 sigma achievements.

[Groff]

1. Weavers not going to be here forever. Let's hope his replacement is a little more committed to basketball beyond the absolute bottom line.

2. All the stuff about obstacles is valid. But if people want to post about how hard it is or will be for Tech to ever be even relatively successful at basketball all the time, then they shouldn't get pissy when we start jokingly referring to ourselves as the "butthole of college basketball."

A financial investment that has been pointed out before Jim Weaver will probably not make. He will not spend over $2 mil on a coach, which severly limits the pedigree of someone you would bring in to replace CSG

Cville is not the only one to point out the limitations of the program. CC has said this over and over for 2-3 years and had other people in the coaching arena back him up on it. There are structural disadvantages in place for a hoops program at VT. They are very hard to overcome unless you went ape and spent 4-5 mil a year to bring in a true "name" coach.

[NC Hoke]

1. Weavers not going to be here forever. Let's hope his replacement is a little more committed to basketball beyond the absolute bottom line.

2. All the stuff about obstacles is valid. But if people want to post about how hard it is or will be for Tech to ever be even relatively successful at basketball all the time, then they shouldn't get pissy when we start jokingly referring to ourselves as the "butthole of college basketball."

And the obstacles are growing greater the longer we wait to get aggressive about our basketball program. Now is an important time for VT to step up and define itself or it may find itself with greater obstacles later down the road, such as trying to attract recruits while having the reputation of being the ACC's basketball version of Duke in football.

[RapmasterAC]

And to C'ville for favorably comparing CSG < .500 ACC record with the likes of Cremins, and Valvano, I will say it again. That was the old ACC, and it was much better top to bottom and you know it full well.

How many recent coaches have > .500 records in the ACC that aren't in their first or second season, and aren't Coach K or Roy Williams?
Hamilton is 76-78, and he's been 10-6 or better in the past three years...and 8-2 this year.
Herb Sendek, owner of the 5 straight NCAA appearances, was 72-88.
Purnell, who made the NCAAs three straight times before cashing out and leaving Clemson, was 50-62.
Tony Bennett is 18-24.
Frank Haith was 43-69.
Al Skinner made 3 NCAA appearances and finished .500.
Paul Hewitt, who took GT to 5 NCAA tournaments and a NC game, was 72-104.
I won't bother to write out things for Lowe, Leitao, etc.

The answers:
Gary Williams, a hall-of-fame coach, was 192-156.
Skip Prosser, who died, was 52-44. He was 8-24 the last two seasons.
Dino Gaudio, who inherited multiple first rounders, was 27-21. Of course, he got fired.

Bottomline: it's pretty hard to go .500 in the ACC, regardless of era.

[1eyeopen]

Lot of issues with Moir teams. Plus his teams did same thing beat a good team and lose to sorry ones. He will take timeouts to his grave because he never used them. Not saying I am totally on Seth taking VT to next level but I will say Moir was less then thrilling.