Cville/Rev - Jeff Capel

[Hamburger]

Short answer is that I hope VT would never consider him, he's a huge cheat. I also personally haven't had the best experiences with him, he can be pretty arrogant, but the cheating issue is the big deal there. He got off light w/ the way he was running that program. I think it'll be hard for him to ever get a major conference coaching gig again and rightfully so.

As for the rest of you, you can keep putting words in my mouth and twisting my posts but I hope you realize how childish you are being and what kind of atmosphere you're building on this board.

It's all good. Keep doing your thing.

[Hamburger]

Of course VT doesn't need to take a chance on a coach who has committed NCAA violations, and of course VT isn't the "butthole" of college basketball - that perception has nothing to do with my comments on anything - it has EVERYTHING to do with a few posters on this board who go ballistic anytime you point out that there are obstacles to this job and that things are as simple as they'd like to believe.

You are just pointing out reality. I love Va Tech with all my heart but at the same time, I like yourself know the obstacles. It's not putting down the school, it's just the way it is.

[VPI63]

As for the rest of you, you can keep putting words in my mouth and twisting my posts but I hope you realize how childish you are being and what kind of atmosphere you're building on this board.

I want repond to this, if I may.

The thing that upsets me the most about your statements concerning VT is that the BB job is not something that a really good coach (at least a coach better than CSG) would want and you have laid out all the reasons to support your view.

Well, that's your opinion, but it has been phrased in a condescending manner, IMHO, that riles me and some others.

Firstly, your opinion is tainted by a conflict of interest that is grounded in a business relationship with CSG and other coaches.

Secondly, your opinion is a static view of the situation and not a dynamic view.

Thirdly, your argument is undermined by what CFB has accomplished when he took over a program that was much more severely handicapped than our BB program currently is.

In 1987, VT had a better BB program than FB program, which is to say we had almost zero FB tradition. (We were the team that was scheduled for the patsy OOC team by ALA and other top tier teams as an example.)

He took over a program that had 3rd class facilities.

He took over a program that was in the boonies. Hell, we were almost unknown in the sports world. If you lived outside of the state, you never could read about VT FB, and were lucky to find a box scored stuck in there with the Slippery Rock College results.

He took over a program that was an independent.

He took over a program that was under severe NCAA sanctions.

He took over a program that virtually no one else wanted, but he had a vision, a skill set, and the will to change those static conditions.

So when I see what he did, what JoePa did in Happy Valley, what coach K has done for Duke, how other great BB programs were built by great coaches, I see that we are talking past each other.

You see things as they are, from your little knot hole in the fence, and I see things as they could be with the right coach that's got the vision, the temperment, the skill set and the will to build a BB program like CFB did in FB.

If you were evaluating VT's chances in FB in 1987, you nor anyone else would have seen what eventually evolved.

And if seeing that it is possible to build a great BB program at VT is "childish" and creating a counter productive atmosphere (translation: My view is the only mature view) on this board, then so be it.

[LonghornHokie]

Nice

[1eyeopen]

What do you think about Jeff Capel as a future HC? He recruited well at OU but didn't have great results in the end. IMO after a few years learning under Coach K he could be a steal for some team. I would be interested to hear your thoughts?

I think VT may have to take a chance on a guy, like Capel or Majurus at St. Louis to get great results. I just don't see someone with any leverage (Smart, Marshall, etc.) taking the VT job when they have other big time options.

Thanks!

NO on Capel Cheated at Oklahoma. Also a Dookie. Not a mix IMO. LOL. I say go to a smaller league and get young guy that can relate to today's kids. When recruiting and when coaching. Someone that would find VT very much to their liking. In my post below VT needs a Bonnie H type. In this situation of course a man. A person that would win over Hokienation. Maybe person is here already. James Johnson? Maybe the guy at Richmond? Or like Bonnie maybe we need a assistant from a Big 10 school that is head coaching material. Why Big 10? Last time I checked some of those schools locations are very much like VT. SEE Iowa, PSU and others. VT and easy job? NO. But I do believe there are ways of getting it done in Blacksburg.

[chuckd4vt]

I want repond to this, if I may.

The thing that upsets me the most about your statements concerning VT is that the BB job is not something that a really good coach (at least a coach better than CSG) would want and you have laid out all the reasons to support your view.

Well, that's your opinion, but it has been phrased in a condescending manner, IMHO, that riles me and some others.

Firstly, your opinion is tainted by a conflict of interest that is grounded in a business relationship with CSG and other coaches.

Secondly, your opinion is a static view of the situation and not a dynamic view.

Thirdly, your argument is undermined by what CFB has accomplished when he took over a program that was much more severely handicapped than our BB program currently is.

In 1987, VT had a better BB program than FB program, which is to say we had almost zero FB tradition. (We were the team that was scheduled for the patsy OOC team by ALA and other top tier teams as an example.)

He took over a program that had 3rd class facilities.

He took over a program that was in the boonies. Hell, we were almost unknown in the sports world. If you lived outside of the state, you never could read about VT FB, and were lucky to find a box scored stuck in there with the Slippery Rock College results.

He took over a program that was an independent.

He took over a program that was under severe NCAA sanctions.

He took over a program that virtually no one else wanted, but he had a vision, a skill set, and the will to change those static conditions.

So when I see what he did, what JoePa did in Happy Valley, what coach K has done for Duke, how other great BB programs were built by great coaches, I see that we are talking past each other.

You see things as they are, from your little knot hole in the fence, and I see things as they could be with the right coach that's got the vision, the temperment, the skill set and the will to build a BB program like CFB did in FB.

If you were evaluating VT's chances in FB in 1987, you nor anyone else would have seen what eventually evolved.

And if seeing that it is possible to build a great BB program at VT is "childish" and creating a counter productive atmosphere (translation: My view is the only mature view) on this board, then so be it.

Listen, FB will likely go down as one of 10 best cfb coaches EVER. It is utterly ridiculous to think the Frank Beamer of college bball is going to land at VT any time soon. That lightning won't strike twice at the same place. Hell, CFB's success may have even made such a bball transition tougher. Yes there was much early interest in seeing Duke and UNC in Cassell, but bball nor bball players at VT will not be grabbing the headlines in Blacksburg very often. I remember Bimbo Coles being like a God around this area 20 some years ago. He owned this town and people filled Casselll just to get a glimpse of him. Now fast forward 25 years and Beamer's created a program inwhich there's a few Bimbo's around campus EVERY year. Many are even much much bigger stars. With that being said, we can get better and are headed in the right direction.

[Newt]

Of course VT doesn't need to take a chance on a coach who has committed NCAA violations, and of course VT isn't the "butthole" of college basketball - that perception has nothing to do with my comments on anything - it has EVERYTHING to do with a few posters on this board who go ballistic anytime you point out that there are obstacles to this job and that things are as simple as they'd like to believe.

I understand your view and frustration with the social nature of "The Board." However, "a few posters" are merely speaking out as individuals in a whole system. To single those out and dwell on their views in lieu of the majority of the base is irresponsible. Learning to listen and absorb what others write while not taking offense is an important adult 21st century social skill.

My advice to you, friend, is to speak what you know to be true if you wish. Listen to all and try to understand from where they are coming. But understand that not everybody every time will agree with you.

Personally, I hope you continue to post.

Respectfully,

Newt (real, full name available upon request)

PS Our greatest training ground is the UWS Board...those *&^% are just *&#$%^& *&%(*

[reestuart]

I want repond to this, if I may.

The thing that upsets me the most about your statements concerning VT is that the BB job is not something that a really good coach (at least a coach better than CSG) would want and you have laid out all the reasons to support your view.

Well, that's your opinion, but it has been phrased in a condescending manner, IMHO, that riles me and some others.

Firstly, your opinion is tainted by a conflict of interest that is grounded in a business relationship with CSG and other coaches.

Secondly, your opinion is a static view of the situation and not a dynamic view.

Thirdly, your argument is undermined by what CFB has accomplished when he took over a program that was much more severely handicapped than our BB program currently is.

In 1987, VT had a better BB program than FB program, which is to say we had almost zero FB tradition. (We were the team that was scheduled for the patsy OOC team by ALA and other top tier teams as an example.)

He took over a program that had 3rd class facilities.

He took over a program that was in the boonies. Hell, we were almost unknown in the sports world. If you lived outside of the state, you never could read about VT FB, and were lucky to find a box scored stuck in there with the Slippery Rock College results.

He took over a program that was an independent.

He took over a program that was under severe NCAA sanctions.

He took over a program that virtually no one else wanted, but he had a vision, a skill set, and the will to change those static conditions.

So when I see what he did, what JoePa did in Happy Valley, what coach K has done for Duke, how other great BB programs were built by great coaches, I see that we are talking past each other.

You see things as they are, from your little knot hole in the fence, and I see things as they could be with the right coach that's got the vision, the temperment, the skill set and the will to build a BB program like CFB did in FB.

If you were evaluating VT's chances in FB in 1987, you nor anyone else would have seen what eventually evolved.

And if seeing that it is possible to build a great BB program at VT is "childish" and creating a counter productive atmosphere (translation: My view is the only mature view) on this board, then so be it.

Agreed. While VT fans shouldn't expect another Frank Beamer to fall in their laps, it's ridiculous to think that VT is working at such a great disadvantage that nobody can succeed. Right now, VT isn't one of the top 3-4 programs in the state. Does ODU have that much of an advantage? Not a chance in the world. There are tons of mid-majors with better programs right now. How is that?

I'm not looking for Final 4's. That would be nice, but no way it should be expected. How about a team that can make the tourney every couple of years? Losing 12-15 games a year isn't going to cut it.

[Groff]

Of course VT doesn't need to take a chance on a coach who has committed NCAA violations, and of course VT isn't the "butthole" of college basketball - that perception has nothing to do with my comments on anything - it has EVERYTHING to do with a few posters on this board who go ballistic anytime you point out that there are obstacles to this job and that things are as simple as they'd like to believe.

Relax, it's just a little bit of gallows humor. You've made the obstacles to success very very clear, and I think most of us accept that. Stuff like joking about being the "butthole of college basketball" is just using humor as a coping mechanism. That said, you post a lot about how few to no coaches would ever want to coach here due to said obstacles. And even if one did want to come here, we couldn't or wouldn't pay them anyway.

In fairness, you tend to present a very grim prediction for the future of tech basketball. If that's the reality of the situation, that's fine. But I don't think people are mischaracterizing your posts as much as you think they are. If the reality of the situation is grim, then it's grim.

I guess I'm not sure how you think people *should* react to the things you post?

[Enigma]

I don't disagree with you, but, why not hire somebody like that? If no coach in America wants to come to VT to coach because it is the butthole of the world, then maybe we hire someone who has a ton of promise, but is being punished by the masses for having a bit of a jaded past..........and I am not just talking about Capel.........

So you want to hire a coach that has a "bit of a jaded past" and is the cause of a program or programs being on NCAA probation simply because you HAVE to have a new HC?

You might, but I don't.