We are totally irrelevant. Look at even is SGs best years, we made the NCAA tourney once. Fricking once. The measure of success in hoops is pretty objective, IMO, and that is it. I know Frankie Allen had bad teams and Foster's weren't world-beaters, but those were the days of the flailing metro and then the A10. Personally I had hoped we'd ascend faster given ACC membership, like football did in the 90s when BEFC started.