Buy or Sell: Seth Greenberg has taken VT as far as Seth Greenberg can take VT hoops?

[hokiekev 2k4]

I have heard some very interesting rumblings inside of Cassell recently.

However, as I told some of them, Seth's recruiting appears to be on an upswing, and the first recipe in the classical processing equation is "Talent" or "Inputs."

Inputs(talent)----->Processing(coaching)----->Outputs(hopefully wins)


On the other hand, I do agry with Chris in historical retrosight terms. Seth's teams tend to do better early in his given tenure, and then they appear to become capped as time wears on or possibly even as Seth wears thin.

So has Seth taken VT as far as Seth can take VT in basketball?
Or are better O&M days yet to come due to improved recruiting under Seth?



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One thing is for sure: Seth has fractured this fan base.

I seem to remember USF Bull fans on this very message board warning us that this is exactly what would happen: excitement at first, followed by stagnation and a soured, split fan base. Those folks were dead on.

[MaroonVT]

One thing is for sure: Seth has fractured this fan base.

I seem to remember USF Bull fans on this very message board warning us that this is exactly what would happen: excitement at first, followed by stagnation and a soured, split fan base. Those folks were dead on.

Yeah, I like Seth personally. I think he is a nice spokesman for the program. And, I obviously want him to do well. But, he didn't take South Florida to the tournament in his 7 years there and he has only taken us to the NCAAs once in 8+ years. After a while, it just becomes time to quiet the critics and make a serious run at the Sweet-16. I'd be happy with one monster year every 4-5 years rather than a bunch of 20 win NIT season. So, IMHO, this year is a rebuilding year, but we sure need to show some serious improvement next year or I think it is time for a new coach.

[Cvillehoops13]

You are not allowed to bring it up on this board, but, CSG had his chance to really make his mark on this University with he Curry's and missed it......a lot of coaches missed out on them, but, those coaches did not coach at a school where the Curry's dad was once king of basketball........missing on Seth was nearly inexcusable......

Have you just chosen to ignore the countless posts Rev and I have had over the years on the Curry recruitments or just somehow happened to miss them? There was zero chance of Seth ending up here after the way things went down with Steph combined w/ some extraneous situations with Seth in the first place. You don't think it's strange that as his older brother was leading the nation in scoring Seth ended up heading to Liberty? You don't think every school in the country took a look at him once Steph started putting up huge numbers?

[Cvillehoops13]

Chris,while I agree with your post, we were never in the running for Tyler Lewis. This is one situation I was close to and we were never a serious contender for him, and believe me, that's sad for us.

Once VT landed Rankin that recruitment was over but I honestly don't see it as a bad thing. I think Tyler is a great player but I don't know how else VT could've played that wrt Rankin.

[bourbonstreet]

One thing is for sure: Seth has fractured this fan base. I seem to remember USF Bull fans on this very message board warning us that this is exactly what would happen: excitement at first, followed by stagnation and a soured, split fan base. Those folks were dead on.

I have caught a palatable whiff of Coach G fatigue.


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[ShortFatHokie]

So has Seth taken VT as far as Seth can take VT in basketball?

BUY x 1000

[hokieZ71]

The correct answer is "I don't know"

He is still recruiting talented players and I don't question his passion or desire to see VT basketball become great.

And our team is extremely young and does not benefit from Senior All Stars like the Delaney/Allen class had with Deron or the Zab/Jamon/CC class had with OP (And those fellas had Carlos Dixon as sophomores...) Zo and Davila aren't leaders and they're not even close to being great players. And while Erick Green has it in him, he has not evolved into a team leader.

Personally, I think the subtraction of Manny Atkins has killed this team. With Atkins, we had a very good, versatile defender who was becoming a clutch player, energy provider and solid shooter. (Remember when he practically beat FSU in the ACC tournament last year by himself?) Without Manny, we have Zo, who has no legs or confidence, Eddie, who has skill but poor temperament and Finney Smith, who has talent but no seasoning. I'd love to have a lineup of Green - Manny - Finney Smith - Barksdale - Davila. Sub in Rankin, Brown, Eddie and Raines. (Yes, I wouldn't even play Zo except in garbage time.)

Greenberg deserves 1, if not 2 more years, after this one. I've griped on my own about how the team looks exactly the same year after year, but it honestly does seem to be a different reason every year. If it were the same reason all the time, yeah, throw him out. Injuries, half court shots, horrible off court circumstances, committee screw jobs, you name it. At least the reason this year is youth and inexperience, and that may be the most correctable of them all.

However, if Greenberg's demeanor is souring the troops and those in power know about it, he needs to be shipped off. To plant a bomb like that in a team with this core of young players could set this program back a decade.

I honestly think he may very well leave on his own while he's got some marketability. Just my opinion. He's the one that always said 7 years was enough to stay at one place and he's now going on a decade. (I believe he said that about the 7 years....correct me if I'm wrong)

[133743Hokie]

Is this a joke? Most players improve throughout their college basketball careers. That's like a basic truth to college basketball. All of the guys you named left better than they were as freshmen. Why wouldn't these guys get better?

No, it's a serious question.

Do you percieve any of the 4 guys in "VTs best recruiting class ever" to be as good as the conterparts I listed as freshmen? Do you anticipate them being better as seniors? This is all about the talk of this being the best ever

[beedubyah]

http://www.techsideline.com/subscrip...-move-forward/

I have heard some very interesting rumblings inside of Cassell recently.

However, as I told some of them, Seth's recruiting appears to be on an upswing, and the first recipe in the classical processing equation is "Talent" or "Inputs."

Inputs(talent)----->Processing(coaching)----->Outputs(hopefully wins)

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On the other hand, I do agry with Chris in historical retrosight terms. Seth's teams tend to do better early in his given tenure, and then they appear to become capped as time wears on or possibly even as Seth wears thin.

So has Seth taken VT as far as Seth can take VT in basketball?
Or are better O&M days yet to come due to improved recruiting under Seth?



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Of a massive downswing? Why not ask this question when we're on an upswing. Come on b'street...Piling on in a big picture way when the team is slumping doesn't bring any rational, intelligent discussion. You know that.

[RapmasterAC]

No, it's a serious question.

Do you percieve any of the 4 guys in "VTs best recruiting class ever" to be as good as the conterparts I listed as freshmen? Do you anticipate them being better as seniors? This is all about the talk of this being the best ever

As far as when they're seniors, who knows? It's way too early to tell. They all have potential though, and there's absolutely no reason to act like they won't round out their games as they progress. For example, 2nd round NBA pick Deron Washington could jump and that was basically it as a freshman.