True. - hokie1277 Mon May 06 2013 10:10 AM

I think Tech is going to have play at least 1 game every 2 years in the DC area... - Old Line Hokie Sat May 04 2013 11:17 AM

Navy has no desire to play VT anywhere. A PSU game at FedEx would be good,... - Atlee Hokie Sun May 05 2013 05:32 PM

Actually vt job is to hold dc market - Mercury Sat May 04 2013 09:21 AM

I think VT need's to play in DC in all sport's alot more often. B-ball not up... - MrFantastic! Mon May 06 2013 06:49 AM

That is VT's mission for VT. Any good that accrues to the ACC, is just so much... - Atlee Hokie Sun May 05 2013 05:35 PM

I think this would be great. Start playing Tennessee in Charlotte one year and... - MrFantastic! Mon May 06 2013 06:52 AM

I like PSU alternating between Philly, Baltimore, and DC. - hokieluver Mon May 06 2013 11:38 AM

That would be nice. I have a feeling it might end up being WVU every other year... - hokieball Mon May 06 2013 12:11 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5gc0bC9Srw&ytsession=7Ddsp8218s8DFgODSXwut2f0pKb... - Mercury Fri May 03 2013 07:07 PM

That has got to be the biggest ATM machine that I've every seen. Those people... - Old Line Hokie Sat May 04 2013 11:05 AM

Very impressive. - 133304Hokie Fri May 03 2013 07:46 PM

If the Big 10 tries to raid the Big 12, I can't see the SEC just standing by... - Old Line Hokie Fri May 03 2013 02:50 PM

What Idiots Would Let TU Destroy A 3rd Conference...... - tennesseevol Fri May 03 2013 05:48 PM

Arrogant jerks are everywhere. - lawhokie Sun May 05 2013 08:51 PM

I have to agree and I can't stand Texas. - Hamburger Mon May 06 2013 02:02 AM

Have you ever actually met anybody that graduated from UT? - lawhokie Mon May 06 2013 08:20 AM

Had a guy in my squadron who kept saying "Virginia Tech, who?" every time he... - Edgeman Mon May 06 2013 09:40 AM

[QUOTE=lawhokie;750261]Wasn't it Slive who said he could fill out the SEC... - tennesseevol Sun May 05 2013 09:13 PM

[QUOTE=tennesseevol;750271]I view the Texas administration as comprised of... - lawhokie Mon May 06 2013 08:52 AM

Arrogant jerks? Noooooo.... not in the SEC. - Calamitous Sat May 04 2013 10:48 AM

KU to the B1G makes a ton of sense, but i do wonder how politics will play into... - BUGGZY Fri May 03 2013 09:48 AM

It is my understanding that Kansas State and Oklahoma State are joined at the... - VTHokie2000 Fri May 03 2013 11:26 AM

I would have added WVU before Louisville. The map is important. We left BC... - chuckd4vt Sun May 05 2013 10:31 AM

Nope, it's TV contracts now that bring the money. The SEC is unique in that... - Hamburger Mon May 06 2013 02:06 AM

The ACC already has THE TV markets and ranks last. It is lacking fball fans. - chuckd4vt Mon May 06 2013 01:15 PM

ftfy - Freddyburg Hokie Mon May 06 2013 05:19 PM

Yes. I think the B12 has a similar dynamic going on as the ACC. For example,... - Maroon Baboon Fri May 03 2013 04:55 PM

I just get the feeling that the Presidents have started looking at ways to... - Femoyer Hokie Fri May 03 2013 11:54 AM

Not happening. If there is one thing that is clear from the last decade it is... - Maroon Baboon Fri May 03 2013 05:17 PM

Maybe there will be coordination, otherwise you have a log jam preventing... - Truthahn Sat May 04 2013 04:53 PM

SEC not interested in WVU and KSU. They could have already had them if they... - Maroon Baboon Mon May 06 2013 10:55 AM

The Big 10 can't have any ACC teams now, so to grow they could really only get... - Truthahn Mon May 06 2013 04:44 PM

i don't think anyone in the B1G, ACC, SEC or Pac12 wants Ok St, K St, Iowa St,... - BUGGZY Fri May 03 2013 12:08 PM

agreed. it feels like a long shot to me... - BUGGZY Fri May 03 2013 11:29 AM

Your last sentence is key. Bashing the ACC is still their hobby. They are so... - Colonel Jessup Fri May 03 2013 10:14 AM

I'm not so certain WVU doesn't end up #15 for the ACC in all sports if this... - Calamitous Sat May 04 2013 10:57 AM

just stop using a map in the logo...or use a map with no state borders so you... - BUGGZY Sat May 04 2013 11:14 AM

FWIW, I've never really had a problem with WVU. However, many here (as well as... - Calamitous Sat May 04 2013 05:57 PM

"a blog from a Texas Tech person"? Stuff like this makes it difficult to put... - laphroaig Fri May 03 2013 10:23 AM

I view this as a discernment exercise. 1 blogger doesn't make it so, but if... - chuckd4vt Sun May 05 2013 10:45 AM

If the ACC went to 18, TT has a chance. If we go to 20, they would be a lock.... - BUGGZY Fri May 03 2013 10:40 AM

I agree with your summation. TU and Baylor are the first two after or... - hokie4ever Fri May 03 2013 01:50 PM

going with you, why not add UConn and Cincy to get to 20 and have 4x5 team... - BUGGZY Fri May 03 2013 02:47 PM

If the ACC ends of taking a school from Wild 'n Wonderful West Virginia, then I... - VTHokie2000 Fri May 03 2013 11:21 AM

All that is incredible to me! Even WVU is in your formula. You almost lose me... - laphroaig Fri May 03 2013 10:45 AM

they are #6 in a 3 horse race...don't get too excited! - BUGGZY Fri May 03 2013 10:46 AM

OK State and KSU to SEC maybe? - MrFantastic! Fri May 03 2013 10:10 AM

Absolutely not!!! No to WVU also!!! SEC does not have to expand we can live... - hailstatealum Fri May 03 2013 03:50 PM

And the SEC teams are already having difficulty playing all the schools in... - Maroon Baboon Fri May 03 2013 05:29 PM

The SEC has already said it has no interest in Oklahoma State. Also, the SEC... - VTHokie2000 Fri May 03 2013 11:47 AM

Can you give me a link to that? That is not what I am hearing. In fact I am... - Stech Sat May 04 2013 09:28 AM

very very interesting; this - Mercury Sat May 04 2013 10:44 AM

Below are several links that show the SEC was only interested in Oklahoma. ... - VTHokie2000 Sat May 04 2013 10:39 AM

can't speak for the other 2 links, but you can't believe anything you read on... - BUGGZY Sat May 04 2013 11:13 AM

I understand what you are saying and don't necessarily disagree with most of... - VTHokie2000 Sat May 04 2013 01:08 PM

WRT Oklahoma State, how long would they be second fiddle to Oklahoma with SEC... - Freddyburg Hokie Sun May 05 2013 11:42 AM

Oklahoma's fanbase is still a lot larger than Oklahoma State's fanbase. ... - VTHokie2000 Sun May 05 2013 12:20 PM

I think when you add a KU or OU, you literally get an entire state of fans. ... - chuckd4vt Sun May 05 2013 11:22 AM

I believe you misunderstood my point because it was addressing whether the SEC... - VTHokie2000 Sun May 05 2013 12:10 PM

That could mean freeing up more air time on ESPN networks for other teams... - corvt2000 Thu May 02 2013 08:34 PM

Or blackout a channel because 2 channels are showing the same content. I have... - VTHokie2000 Fri May 03 2013 11:57 AM

I think you will see the SEC scheduling get better because the time slots will... - hailstatealum Fri May 03 2013 03:40 PM

I am not sure how you think the scheduling will get any better especially... - VTHokie2000 Fri May 03 2013 05:13 PM

What if ESPNU just rebrands as the SEC Network or SEC/ACC Network? Maybe there... - Femoyer Hokie Fri May 03 2013 08:12 AM

even with ZERO ACC/SEC content (which is worst case, and not happening), ESPN... - BUGGZY Fri May 03 2013 10:52 AM

your second bullet is key, imo start doing the math and see who is available... - daveinop Thu May 02 2013 06:28 PM

Basing the network in Charlotte... Ultimate slap in the face to the ACC. - NCHokie83 Thu May 02 2013 03:27 PM

How so? :confused: They have a center there already. - Hamburger Fri May 03 2013 05:58 AM

not sure why? ESPN has production offices there already, they are just going... - BUGGZY Thu May 02 2013 03:50 PM

I think I read that ESPNU is run out of Charlotte. - corvt2000 Thu May 02 2013 08:46 PM

John at Mr.SEC has some more details on the SEC Network. ... - Freddyburg Hokie Thu May 02 2013 03:06 PM

It will be interesting to see how the ACC Network matches up. I suspect it... - 133193Hokie Thu May 02 2013 04:04 PM

Fist the deal is carriage rates which is the rate of each cable subscriber. ... - Mercury Sat May 04 2013 09:29 AM

We shall see, but for now I will stick with the 60%-70% range and anything over... - 133193Hokie Sat May 04 2013 09:53 AM

It's nuts - Colonel Jessup Thu May 02 2013 03:34 PM

I heard projections of $28M per school - but that cannot be right. - 133193Hokie Thu May 02 2013 02:31 PM

The Schools that the Big Ten talked to would have been AAU Universities in... - HOO86 Thu May 02 2013 08:58 PM

GT, Vandy and UNC aren't in contiguous BIG states. Guess you mean they spoke... - corvt2000 Fri May 03 2013 10:22 PM

Delany's back-up list included other AAU members: Carnegie-Mellon, Case Western... - Old Line Hokie Thu May 02 2013 09:42 PM

Now your talking, The B1G won't settle for just a school, state or market... - VT75 Fri May 03 2013 05:48 AM

How would FOIA laws affect these confidentiality agreements? Obviously person... - corvt2000 Thu May 02 2013 08:40 PM

umd managed to avoid producing anything when hit with a FOIA request RE: B1G... - BUGGZY Fri May 03 2013 11:23 AM

You're right about the BIG, they're not a public entity so FOIA wouldn't apply,... - corvt2000 Fri May 03 2013 10:17 PM

if they are thinking about it, there wouldn't be any notes or emails. other... - daveinop Fri May 03 2013 08:24 AM

That is because it is not over yet - There will be more movement before it is... - 133193Hokie Thu May 02 2013 02:14 PM

All I know is we better revert back to our 9-3 or much better seasons if we... - dna-vt Thu May 02 2013 06:48 PM

If 4 16 team leagues is going to be the standard then I think the Big12 is in... - corvt2000 Thu May 02 2013 08:44 PM

Yep, the B12 GOR only runs through 2017. They are still a house of cards, and... - BROman Hokie Fri May 03 2013 10:14 AM

True but the ACC is holding one spot for ND in football. That leaves 9 spots... - DMaroonHokie Fri May 03 2013 10:34 AM

I wonder if Nevada and BOise will ever see BIG time football? Cincy is almost... - MrFantastic! Sat May 04 2013 09:12 AM

Yes, but the quote from B1G commish indicates this was more than back channel... - Colonel Jessup Thu May 02 2013 01:11 PM

Sure, confidentiality agreements being signed means there should have been... - VT75 Thu May 02 2013 04:14 PM

@thedudeofwv delaney admitted in a cbs sports article that they were in discussions with 6 teams. Teams signed confidentiality agreements.

— Doug Meyer (@NebGradDubDub) May 2, 2013

@nebgraddubdub Yea... they were.. FSU, UVA, UNC, Kansas, GT, and Oklahoma.

— The Dude of WV (@theDudeofWV) May 2, 2013

@thedudeofwv the big 12 grant of rights have a look in in three years. In 2015, OU and KU Can be bought out for 20 million each.

— Doug Meyer (@NebGradDubDub) May 2, 2013

Not so much which schools he was talking with (it *is* the Dude we're talking about here), but the information regarding the 3 year look-in and buyout clause for the Big XII-II-II+II GOR. This brings up two questions: (a) Is this really a $20M buyout clause after three years? and (b) Does the ACC GOR have similar provisions? Apologies for the formatting. It seems TSL doesn't allow Tweet embedding. I tried to get the relevant Tweets up there. FH" class="threadlink" href="showthread.php?p=748091#post748091">Regarding the schools Delaney was talking with, some interesting information...... - Freddyburg Hokie Thu May 02 2013 01:10 PM

@thedudeofwv delaney admitted in a cbs sports article that they were in discussions with 6 teams. Teams signed confidentiality agreements.

— Doug Meyer (@NebGradDubDub) May 2, 2013

@nebgraddubdub Yea... they were.. FSU, UVA, UNC, Kansas, GT, and Oklahoma.

— The Dude of WV (@theDudeofWV) May 2, 2013

@thedudeofwv the big 12 grant of rights have a look in in three years. In 2015, OU and KU Can be bought out for 20 million each.

— Doug Meyer (@NebGradDubDub) May 2, 2013

Not so much which schools he was talking with (it *is* the Dude we're talking about here), but the information regarding the 3 year look-in and buyout clause for the Big XII-II-II+II GOR. This brings up two questions: (a) Is this really a $20M buyout clause after three years? and (b) Does the ACC GOR have similar provisions? Apologies for the formatting. It seems TSL doesn't allow Tweet embedding. I tried to get the relevant Tweets up there. FH[/QUOTE] The Dude is still talking. He was wrong almost every time. He needs to have his internet disconnected. A blind monkey could make the same claims that he's making. I'm sure that Jim Delany talked to 6 schools but so did most of the AQ FBS conference commissioners. I'm sure Delany's "Wish List" included UVA, UNC, and a few others mentioned." class="threadlink" href="showthread.php?p=748495#post748495">The Dude is still talking. He was wrong almost every time. He needs to have... - Old Line Hokie Thu May 02 2013 06:25 PM

I wouldn't believe "the Dude of WV" if he told me it was raining... - Hokiestud Thu May 02 2013 06:57 PM

@thedudeofwv delaney admitted in a cbs sports article that they were in discussions with 6 teams. Teams signed confidentiality agreements.

— Doug Meyer (@NebGradDubDub) May 2, 2013

@nebgraddubdub Yea... they were.. FSU, UVA, UNC, Kansas, GT, and Oklahoma.

— The Dude of WV (@theDudeofWV) May 2, 2013

@thedudeofwv the big 12 grant of rights have a look in in three years. In 2015, OU and KU Can be bought out for 20 million each.

— Doug Meyer (@NebGradDubDub) May 2, 2013

Not so much which schools he was talking with (it *is* the Dude we're talking about here), but the information regarding the 3 year look-in and buyout clause for the Big XII-II-II+II GOR. This brings up two questions: (a) Is this really a $20M buyout clause after three years? and (b) Does the ACC GOR have similar provisions? Apologies for the formatting. It seems TSL doesn't allow Tweet embedding. I tried to get the relevant Tweets up there. FH[/QUOTE] The Dude hasn't been too far off. It seems like he had some WVU source at home time and just took it to the next level claiming these things were done deals. It sure seems as though FSU, Clemson, and even UVA were having to be coerced into hanging around the ACC. And if those three hadn't, the ACC would a unraveled. Heck, all this info coming out about the actions of the B1G and ACC Commissioners suggests there were certainly things in the works. Any who, ESPN saved the ACC!!!" class="threadlink" href="showthread.php?p=748406#post748406">The Dude hasn't been too far off. It seems like he had some WVU source at home... - chuckd4vt Thu May 02 2013 05:20 PM

I'd like to see something like coastal and continental. Coastal: BC UVA... - VTUprising Thu May 02 2013 12:49 PM

FSU wants GT in their division. Did the ACC offer some division flexibility to... - BROman Hokie Thu May 02 2013 12:40 PM

Don't know if it was offered, but it is a sore spot between GT and FSU fans,... - Freddyburg Hokie Thu May 02 2013 01:48 PM

I think we should modifiy the existing divisions to this: Cross over rivals... - 134024Hokie Thu May 02 2013 10:50 AM

VT should play Clemson every year. Louisvilled doesn't deserve that cherry game. - lawhokie Thu May 02 2013 12:32 PM

That's what VT wants, but what is best for the conference as a whole? THAT is... - Freddyburg Hokie Thu May 02 2013 01:42 PM

Get rid of divisions - NC ACC Hokie Wed May 01 2013 03:41 PM

The ACC might do that because it wouldn't change much either way... - lawhokie Wed May 01 2013 07:00 PM

Put Miami in the North. They're flying to every school but FSU anyways, and... - Freddyburg Hokie Thu May 02 2013 11:28 AM

Wake and Duke are roughly on par with BC, but historically speaking, Syracuse... - Hokie CPA Thu May 02 2013 01:44 PM

Agreed, but can they? Can they recruit to that level these days? I hope so. The... - Freddyburg Hokie Thu May 02 2013 01:52 PM

Problem is that the North division doesn't have a single school that would send... - lawhokie Thu May 02 2013 12:36 PM

Swap VT and GT, got that mixed up. Editing original post. I know VT would,... - Freddyburg Hokie Thu May 02 2013 01:43 PM

Just shuffle teams more regularly. Every year preferable. I hate how... - Maroon Baboon Wed May 01 2013 06:49 PM

i'm all for it. i know the B1G would prefer that to breaking up rivalries with... - BUGGZY Wed May 01 2013 03:47 PM

VT's Rivals - 134024Hokie Wed May 01 2013 05:59 PM

Like it. Book it! - NC ACC Hokie Wed May 01 2013 03:53 PM

I like this. Each school would play all schools at least twice in a 4 yr... - hokieball Wed May 01 2013 05:19 PM

updated version (fixed 'Cuse - Miami rivalry someone was pushing for... - BUGGZY Wed May 01 2013 03:51 PM

The ACC doesn't really have any good rivalries, so why adhere to them? - lawhokie Thu May 02 2013 10:48 AM

Agreed, that would be ideal. And like you said, I think it would be easy to... - GusDaMan Wed May 01 2013 03:46 PM

Given the current thinking of breaking away from the NCAA, they might just be... - GreatSmokieHokie Wed May 01 2013 04:49 PM

Unfortunately, I can never unsee this post. It's bad enough we turned down the... - MPHOKIE Wed May 01 2013 02:51 PM

Like it or not, we are basically back in the Big East again. I'm not sure it... - Maroon Baboon Wed May 01 2013 06:55 PM

I think the ACC will wait until we go to 4 Divsions before they re-align the... - Stech Wed May 01 2013 07:17 AM

I've seen this for 4 divisions: North: Syracuse Boston College Notre... - HOO86 Wed May 01 2013 08:53 PM

I like it. Hope ACC bought the PSU lottery ticket. - VT_JustinGlass Wed May 01 2013 10:12 PM

Agree 100%. But don't we need a few more teams in the conference so the pods... - Femoyer Hokie Wed May 01 2013 07:45 AM

Yes they will need to expand more to have 4 divisions. ND will join when you... - Stech Wed May 01 2013 06:22 PM

Never happen - Beez Wed May 01 2013 11:58 PM

Before it happened did you think the ACC, SEC & B1G would go to 14?... - Stech Thu May 02 2013 07:00 AM

Four pods of four teams each. You play each team in your pod every year. Play... - GreatSmokieHokie Wed May 01 2013 09:30 AM

This could easily happen but what do you think of Stech's premise? He said: ... - Femoyer Hokie Wed May 01 2013 09:45 AM

Waiting for Notre Dame to join as a full member is not the only option. The... - VTHokie2000 Wed May 01 2013 11:28 AM

I'm totally disinterested in going to 16 without ND, especially for Army and... - Maroon Baboon Wed May 01 2013 02:40 PM

The choices to get to 16 aren't very good without ND as one of them. I don't... - GreatSmokieHokie Wed May 01 2013 11:37 AM

Even if Notre Dame is No 15, the choices for No 16 aren't any better. ... - VTHokie2000 Wed May 01 2013 11:53 AM

i think #16 would be Cincy with UConn having an outside shot. Cincy pushed... - BUGGZY Wed May 01 2013 12:12 PM

I expect if the ACC does expand to 16 with Notre Dame as a full time member... - Old Line Hokie Wed May 01 2013 10:38 PM

$1Billion UConn Endowment ~$300Million Cincy graduates twice as many alumni every year. today, many of them may be tOSU of UK fans, but given the right circumstances, they could all be Cincy fans. there was a time in Blacksburg when there were as many UNC, dook, and PSU hats on campus as there were VT hats... i agree both are possibilities, but i'm giving the nod to Cincy by a hair...for now." class="threadlink" href="showthread.php?p=747614#post747614">i know it's more about sports at this point, but academics and money do... - BUGGZY Wed May 01 2013 11:09 PM

I think you might be right. It seems that Cincinnati has really courted the ACC... - HOO86 Wed May 01 2013 09:03 PM

One reason the ACC may have been looking at Cincy is because someone may have... - VTHokie2000 Thu May 02 2013 11:02 AM

And getting into Ohio probably more beneficial than getting into Connecticut. - Maroon Baboon Wed May 01 2013 02:35 PM

The problem with Cincy is where the city is located (along the KY-OH border)... - VTHokie2000 Wed May 01 2013 01:14 PM

True. But we're kind of doing this with Pitt. To truly capture the state of... - HOO86 Wed May 01 2013 09:10 PM

I am not suggesting that the ACC needs to capture the state of Ohio. I am... - VTHokie2000 Thu May 02 2013 11:19 AM

Also a lot ESPN executives went to UCONN and of course ESPN is located in... - Stech Wed May 01 2013 10:56 PM

I didn't read it that way. I read it as other in-conference divisions. - GreatSmokieHokie Wed May 01 2013 10:43 AM

Does this most likely happen this decade or after the 12 yr playoff is over? - Red Hokie Wed May 01 2013 07:25 AM

I don't adhere to the Miami rationale......if anything, it will be a travel... - dna-vt Tue Apr 30 2013 10:28 PM

I hope not. Four teams, i.e. UNC, Duke, State, and Wake in the South division... - jboyhokie Tue Apr 30 2013 10:14 PM

Occassional, yes. Mismatch by design? This is horrible, this idea.... - Freddyburg Hokie Tue Apr 30 2013 07:17 PM

I've seen this one thrown out as an option. Coastal Boston College... - HOO86 Tue Apr 30 2013 06:36 PM

There are VT fans who hate the ACC now, you do that and it would be universal. ... - corvt2000 Wed May 01 2013 11:28 AM

I like how we have it today. But this was less putting VT back in the Big East... - HOO86 Wed May 01 2013 08:27 PM

Would consider slitting my wrists (figurative speaking) if that ever became... - Edgeman Wed May 01 2013 10:07 AM

ANd if ND was fully - MrFantastic! Wed May 01 2013 06:31 AM

Since when did uva get in the Big East?!..."deja vu all over again" - HOKIERIT Tue Apr 30 2013 05:44 PM

No offense, but that would blow chunks to be stuck in another version of the... - Edgeman Tue Apr 30 2013 05:20 PM

Clemson and FSU need to be in separate divisions. Old v. New ACC would work - Maroon Baboon Tue Apr 30 2013 01:05 PM

i don't hate it...(but it's technically original 5 + uva + GT) Old / New... - BUGGZY Tue Apr 30 2013 01:12 PM

I like the idea of keeping the old guard together. it would be a welcome... - Maroon Baboon Tue Apr 30 2013 02:55 PM

[TR] [TD][B]Atlantic[/B] [/TD] [TD][B]Coastal[/B][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Florida State[/TD] [TD]Miami[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Georgia Tech[/TD] [TD]Virginia Tech[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Clemson[/TD] [TD]Louisville[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Duke[/TD] [TD]Boston College[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Wake Forest[/TD] [TD]Syracuse[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]North Carolina[/TD] [TD]Virginia[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]NC State[/TD] [TD]Pittsburgh [/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] It's essentially a N-S alignment, FSU gets the games it wants from "local" rivals Georgia Tech and Clemson, the Miami-FSU, Miami-VT, UVA-UNC, and VT-Clemson rivalries remain intact, the Carolina schools are all together, and the smaller private schools are paired up. As for Virginia Tech, we lose our regular match-ups with UNC and Duke, but pick up annual tilts with Louisville and Syracuse. Other than that, our conference schedule doesn't change at all. What we would need, though is 9 conference games to allow us to get one game per year at one of the NC schools so our recruiting doesn't suffer down there either." class="threadlink" href="showthread.php?p=746089#post746089">If y'all really want to piss off Florida State, you put them in a division with... - Hokie CPA Tue Apr 30 2013 01:37 PM

[TR] [TD][B]Atlantic[/B] [/TD] [TD][B]Coastal[/B][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Florida State[/TD] [TD]Miami[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Georgia Tech[/TD] [TD]Virginia Tech[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Clemson[/TD] [TD]Louisville[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Duke[/TD] [TD]Boston College[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Wake Forest[/TD] [TD]Syracuse[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]North Carolina[/TD] [TD]Virginia[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]NC State[/TD] [TD]Pittsburgh [/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [/QUOTE] That's pretty much my suggestion, save for switching the cross-division rivals for BC and Syracuse. I was thinking Duke/Syracuse as cross-division rivals, but admittedly I was only really thinking about basketball at the time. =^)" class="threadlink" href="showthread.php?p=746267#post746267">That's pretty much my suggestion, save for switching the cross-division rivals... - Freddyburg Hokie Tue Apr 30 2013 03:50 PM

[TR] [TD][B]Atlantic[/B] [/TD] [TD][B]Coastal[/B] [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Florida State[/TD] [TD]Miami[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Georgia Tech[/TD] [TD]Virginia Tech[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Clemson[/TD] [TD]Louisville[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Duke[/TD] [TD]Boston College[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Wake Forest[/TD] [TD]Syracuse[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]North Carolina[/TD] [TD]Virginia[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]NC State[/TD] [TD]Pittsburgh[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] It's essentially a N-S alignment, FSU gets the games it wants from "local" rivals Georgia Tech and Clemson, the Miami-FSU, Miami-VT, UVA-UNC, and VT-Clemson rivalries remain intact, the Carolina schools are all together, and the smaller private schools are paired up. As for Virginia Tech, we lose our regular match-ups with UNC and Duke, but pick up annual tilts with Louisville and Syracuse. Other than that, our conference schedule doesn't change at all. What we would need, though is 9 conference games to allow us to get one game per year at one of the NC schools so our recruiting doesn't suffer down there either.[/QUOTE] FSU doesn't play GT every year now, and in the Old/New setup, they would still play Clemson and Miami every year, just as they do now. i don't think anyone cares about what division they are in beyond how it impacts who they play every year. i'm not a fan of the North + Miami vs South setup a bunch of posters keep bringing up. if you're going to put Miami in the North, just keep Coastal / Atlantic and mix the teams up more evenly like they are today." class="threadlink" href="showthread.php?p=746102#post746102">FSU doesn't play GT every year now, and in the Old/New setup, they would still... - BUGGZY Tue Apr 30 2013 01:46 PM

And this is a big issue for both FSU and GT. If there's a divisional... - Freddyburg Hokie Tue Apr 30 2013 03:51 PM

That would be horrible. One driveable game? No way that would fly. - GFallsFan Tue Apr 30 2013 10:05 AM

As long as schools want to hold onto preserving their historic "rivalries"... - VTHokie2000 Tue Apr 30 2013 09:59 AM

First, UVa-UNC should be preserved. It is the oldest rivalry in the South. Wake... - Maroon Baboon Tue Apr 30 2013 04:18 PM

I would argue that it IS best for the conference to have all your "best"... - GusDaMan Tue Apr 30 2013 04:52 PM

You don't want to stack the divisions to much. Would make it harder to make a... - corvt2000 Wed May 01 2013 11:36 AM

Oh, I agree. My point (albeit poorly stated) was really that the Media would... - GusDaMan Wed May 01 2013 02:55 PM

It could also make for a crappy ACCCG - Maroon Baboon Tue Apr 30 2013 05:03 PM

every conference has dealt with the occasional (or even not so occasional)... - GusDaMan Tue Apr 30 2013 05:14 PM

Here are all the rivalries (I can think of off the top of my head) that the ACC... - VTHokie2000 Tue Apr 30 2013 04:38 PM

With the exception of UVA-FSU, I am pretty sure the alignment I posted above... - Hokie CPA Tue Apr 30 2013 06:17 PM

UVA and FSU play for a trophy? - GusDaMan Tue Apr 30 2013 04:54 PM

The Jefferson-Eppes Trophy... - VTHokie2000 Tue Apr 30 2013 08:07 PM

I think the divisions will stay the way they are. Louisville will simply... - Old Line Hokie Tue Apr 30 2013 09:59 PM

what is uneven about bball scheduling with 15? we play 18 games, 9 home, 9... - BUGGZY Tue Apr 30 2013 10:18 PM

Easier to schedule with an even number of teams. Will have every ACC team... - Old Line Hokie Tue Apr 30 2013 10:51 PM

It is not necessarily easier for scheduling purposes if you have an even number... - VTHokie2000 Wed May 01 2013 11:37 AM

9 ain't happening as long as we keep the current ND scheduling arrangement. 10... - BUGGZY Wed May 01 2013 12:08 PM

I don't disagree with you that a 10 game schedule is not an option as long as... - VTHokie2000 Wed May 01 2013 01:20 PM

if you are going to go N/S and still put Miami in the North, just keep... - BUGGZY Tue Apr 30 2013 09:41 AM

If Clemson is our permanent crossover, that schedule would be equal to the one... - Colonel Jessup Tue Apr 30 2013 09:34 AM

With the emphasis we try to put on recruiting NC, we don't want to lose those... - corvt2000 Tue Apr 30 2013 02:58 PM

UVa will never allow that to happen. - MrFantastic! Tue Apr 30 2013 09:11 AM

Interesting Quote about Future Expansion. No Realignment unless other schools... - ahokie4u Mon Apr 29 2013 10:02 PM

I'm sure that is a tough topic at conference get togethers. I'm sure the... - Mr. Touchdown Tue Apr 30 2013 10:57 AM

I thought that meant no division realignment. I don't think it had anything to... - hokieball Mon Apr 29 2013 10:18 PM

Correct - was referring to divisional alignment - Colonel Jessup Tue Apr 30 2013 09:27 AM

I just do not get this. Home and home with the other division every 12 years.... - dallasvt Mon Apr 29 2013 10:01 PM

its very simple - Mercury Tue Apr 30 2013 07:44 AM

The ACC needs to ban playing the FCS schools. It doesn't help with SOS and... - Mr. Touchdown Tue Apr 30 2013 10:54 AM

I think TV contract negotiations along with no benefit for playoff... - Femoyer Hokie Tue Apr 30 2013 01:52 PM

+1000 i also wonder if eliminating crossovers for the teams who don't truly... - BUGGZY Tue Apr 30 2013 11:45 AM

If the ACC did some minor tweaking of the divisions, then it could have it so... - VTHokie2000 Tue Apr 30 2013 12:56 PM

you broke up FSU - Clemson, but yes, minor tweaking could preserve everything. ... - BUGGZY Tue Apr 30 2013 01:07 PM

I realize I broke up the Clemson-FSU rivalry, but it is my understanding that... - VTHokie2000 Tue Apr 30 2013 01:28 PM

so what is wrong with the way i laid it out? it preserves all the rivalries... - BUGGZY Tue Apr 30 2013 01:32 PM

Going back to the Big East days, Miami gets a large percentage of its students... - VTHokie2000 Tue Apr 30 2013 01:38 PM

But they get a larger percentage of their players from south Florida. I'm just... - Edgeman Tue Apr 30 2013 02:14 PM

True, but the football team makes up a small percentage of the student body and... - VTHokie2000 Tue Apr 30 2013 03:04 PM

I think college football will move to fewer conference games, not more. Fewer... - Femoyer Hokie Tue Apr 30 2013 08:14 AM

That's exactly the opposite of the way the playoffs are evolving right now. At... - Freddyburg Hokie Tue Apr 30 2013 03:45 PM

What does this mean? "Losing a non-con against a quality opponent shouldn't... - seekoHoG Tue Apr 30 2013 07:45 PM

Eliminating the double negative: "Losing a non-con against a quality opponent... - Freddyburg Hokie Wed May 01 2013 03:05 PM

Freddy, it's all about the money. TV is desperate for more QUALITY games.... - Femoyer Hokie Wed May 01 2013 07:14 PM

You're assuming the evolution of the playoff system to a point (a) where the... - Freddyburg Hokie Thu May 02 2013 01:36 PM

Yep, I would REAllY like to see that switched up. We've got to find a way to... - chuckd4vt Mon Apr 29 2013 10:11 PM

Yep. Agree on all points. This is why I laughed out loud at all those who were... - Hokiestud Thu May 02 2013 06:59 PM

The crack in that thread about WVU playing overseas now is funny. - Mr. Touchdown Mon Apr 29 2013 11:29 PM

Semi-related: new ACC map - Colonel Jessup Mon Apr 29 2013 06:20 PM

I had a good chuckle with the NC map given that Wake and UNC should be swapped... - VTHokie2000 Tue Apr 30 2013 01:04 PM

The uva section needs to be much smaller, lol - Beez Mon Apr 29 2013 11:04 PM

They forgot Virginia's Eastern Shore on that map. - Old Line Hokie Mon Apr 29 2013 09:30 PM

The ACCN will probably show more ND football replays than most other ACC... - Calamitous Mon Apr 29 2013 06:01 PM

That's great, but what I'm really looking forward to seeing is the non-revenue... - Edgeman Mon Apr 29 2013 04:40 PM

ACCN won't have any of that level of access to ND football. NBC owns all... - BUGGZY Mon Apr 29 2013 01:49 PM

I read somewhere the past week that the ACCN could possibly show Notre Dame... - Old Line Hokie Mon Apr 29 2013 04:40 PM

Thought i read somewhere replay's of ND's game could be on ACCN. - MrFantastic! Mon Apr 29 2013 02:40 PM

replays of ND's 2.5 road games, yes. not their home games. - BUGGZY Mon Apr 29 2013 02:41 PM

When has NBC ever replayed one of their games?. - MrFantastic! Mon Apr 29 2013 02:43 PM

i see ND replays on FiOS all the time. i believe it was mostly UniversalHD... - BUGGZY Mon Apr 29 2013 02:45 PM

OH ok. My cable does not have those. - MrFantastic! Mon Apr 29 2013 02:47 PM

Who is your cable company? Cox has those HD channels. - Edgeman Mon Apr 29 2013 04:36 PM

to be fair, i just went and browsed through some articles about the new deal,... - BUGGZY Mon Apr 29 2013 02:57 PM

[Sorry for the double post] - gman86 Mon Apr 29 2013 02:24 PM

that's something we (the ACC) REALLY need to work on... 2012: ND 41, Miami 3... - GusDaMan Mon Apr 29 2013 03:14 PM

The recent Miami games are just embarrassing. I thought Miami had pride. That... - Calamitous Mon Apr 29 2013 06:20 PM

but ND won't be able to avoid FSU, Clemson, VT, and even L'ville looking... - BUGGZY Mon Apr 29 2013 03:18 PM

Exactly. Last season BC and Wake were particularly awful and Miami was... - gman86 Mon Apr 29 2013 04:10 PM

True. Though they are 2-0 against Miami over that stretch as well. Granted,... - GusDaMan Mon Apr 29 2013 03:39 PM

And then there is the ND mystique. Love it or hate it, there is a mystique to... - gman86 Mon Apr 29 2013 02:23 PM

Based on Program strength, not very well balanced divisions. OK, so the East... - Late 80s Hokie Tue Apr 30 2013 12:19 PM

i would argue Iowa is = to Mich St. while the East may be slightly more top... - BUGGZY Tue Apr 30 2013 12:26 PM

They were more than goofy, they were arrogant. Symbolized everything I despised... - WestyHokie Mon Apr 29 2013 04:57 PM

+1 - Edgeman Mon Apr 29 2013 05:11 PM

How long until the ACC goes North South divisions with crossover games to... - Vippie1 Mon Apr 29 2013 11:50 AM

I believe the ACC is determined to either keep the 4 NC schools together or... - VTHokie2000 Tue Apr 30 2013 01:21 PM

ACC North / South with 2 NC schools each... BC / Miami 'Cuse / Clemson... - BUGGZY Tue Apr 30 2013 01:28 PM

A couple problems with that proposal. First, both divisions would want 1 FL... - VTHokie2000 Tue Apr 30 2013 01:33 PM

Miami didn't even want to protect their BC rivalry which was bigger than their... - BUGGZY Tue Apr 30 2013 01:42 PM

My preference would be to keep the zipper model and ensure each division had... - VTHokie2000 Tue Apr 30 2013 02:13 PM

so.... Coastal / Atlantic Miami / FSU GT / Clemson UNC / NCSU uva / VT... - BUGGZY Tue Apr 30 2013 02:21 PM

Yes, that would work. It would allow the conference some flexibility since... - VTHokie2000 Tue Apr 30 2013 02:31 PM

True. The only thing I can think of is that either the ACC was determined to... - VTHokie2000 Tue Apr 30 2013 01:58 PM

yeah, with BC and 'cuse both being in the league, and neither having an annual... - BUGGZY Tue Apr 30 2013 02:06 PM

Very true, which is why I suggested that the President and AD may have... - VTHokie2000 Tue Apr 30 2013 02:22 PM

So it looks like Maryland might host Michigan, Penn State, and Nebraska at Byrd... - lawhokie Mon Apr 29 2013 11:41 AM

Reside in the Baltimore/DC market. - Femoyer Hokie Mon Apr 29 2013 12:12 PM

Talk about being born on third base. Sheesh. - lawhokie Mon Apr 29 2013 12:24 PM

I hope this spurs the ACC to renew our a 9 game in-conference schedule as well.... - VT75 Mon Apr 29 2013 10:43 AM

I think schools like FSU and Clemson will object. If the ACC were loaded with... - lawhokie Mon Apr 29 2013 11:35 AM

people forget, the ACC had already approved the move to 9 games. when we added... - BUGGZY Mon Apr 29 2013 05:26 PM

It will happen when the SEC adopts the 9 game plan. The Big 12 does it by... - VT75 Tue Apr 30 2013 05:30 AM

I think we are headed to fewer conference games and stronger out of conference... - Femoyer Hokie Mon Apr 29 2013 12:26 PM

I'd like to see the ACC go to a 9 game conference schedule. I'd rather play... - Old Line Hokie Mon Apr 29 2013 10:33 AM

An away game at Wake is a pretty steep opportunity cost. - lawhokie Mon Apr 29 2013 11:22 AM

I honestly don't expect Notre Dame to be full time for at least another 10-15... - Old Line Hokie Mon Apr 29 2013 11:44 AM

If VT wants a quality 1/1 for the ninth game, let's find it on the open market. - lawhokie Mon Apr 29 2013 12:20 PM

Finally, the real reason for them picking up MD and Ruts comes out, they needed... - Hokerer Mon Apr 29 2013 09:06 AM

I'm guessing four 16-20 team conferences. No (or few) cross division/pod games.... - Femoyer Hokie Mon Apr 29 2013 09:00 AM

3 MegaConferences (18-22 teams) or 7 round-robin traditional conferences (8-11... - Maroon Baboon Mon Apr 29 2013 03:06 PM

I'm throwing a 24 team model out there: 4div x 6teams = 5div games + 3outofdiv... - hokieball Mon Apr 29 2013 09:43 AM

:eatingpopcorn - TabbHokie Sun Apr 28 2013 09:40 PM

Do you think that FSU would sign without the condition being delivered? In... - Stech Sun Apr 28 2013 10:27 AM

So basically something someday will happen to make ACC football better or more... - hokiebob01 Mon Apr 29 2013 10:29 AM

Swofford has now set the ACC up for success (GOR agreement, $20+ Million/school... - Old Line Hokie Mon Apr 29 2013 10:38 AM

i would be shocked if part of ESPN's expanded $$ agreement wasn't that they... - BUGGZY Mon Apr 29 2013 10:55 AM

In a North/South divisional split, thinking non-parochially, I would put Miami... - Freddyburg Hokie Mon Apr 29 2013 02:21 PM

it's one way, but why is it the only way? no key rivalries were lost the way i... - BUGGZY Mon Apr 29 2013 02:41 PM

Here's my proposed divisions with crossovers: That way we minimize Dook (no... - Old Line Hokie Mon Apr 29 2013 11:37 AM

only issue i see with this is Clemson - NCSU is missing. i'm not that familiar... - BUGGZY Mon Apr 29 2013 11:48 AM

NC State-Clemson have the Carolina Textile connection that goes back to after... - Old Line Hokie Mon Apr 29 2013 12:28 PM

I actually really like you Atlantic / Coastal alignment. Only downside is we... - VT_JustinGlass Mon Apr 29 2013 11:23 AM

So..., it has been "delivered" but not announced? Is that the way to read it... - 133193Hokie Sun Apr 28 2013 11:12 AM

It's a decision point in a logic diagram...you know, one of those diamond... - VPI63 Mon Apr 29 2013 11:26 PM

So it's been delivered but we don't know what it is. When we get it, how will... - hokie4ever Sun Apr 28 2013 03:25 PM

i would read it as "its a done deal" - daveinop Sun Apr 28 2013 01:49 PM

That's how I interpreted Stech's post too. Pretty darn clear...lol - Edgeman Sun Apr 28 2013 02:44 PM

You cannot escape the GOR. Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated. - Freddyburg Hokie Sun Apr 28 2013 09:41 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyZ3pgABwss - DJ Golf Mon Apr 29 2013 09:53 AM

The GOR(G) compared to the BORG. Clever! - laphroaig Sun Apr 28 2013 02:49 PM

Wake got a lot of big tobacco money behind it back in the day. Tobacco is the... - I85Hokie Mon Apr 29 2013 09:42 AM

When is the last time a conference ejected an all sports member? Temple was... - PadrosWindup Sun Apr 28 2013 04:43 PM

us? from the metro? - Truthahn Sun Apr 28 2013 05:21 PM

Better yet, just cut Wake Forest loose. - Hokie '04 Sat Apr 27 2013 07:03 PM

Based upon the violation of what ACC Bylaw? Even if someone was foolish enough... - hokiebob01 Sun Apr 28 2013 08:34 AM

Of course it could never happen, but it does not change the facts. - lawhokie Sun Apr 28 2013 09:13 PM

But, but, but...but what about their academics? I thought that was what... - Beez Tue Apr 30 2013 12:41 AM

Not saying they broke a rule, just that they bring nothing to the table. - Hokie '04 Sun Apr 28 2013 02:54 PM

If schools are so concerned about who they play why don't they (1) talk about... - Maroon Baboon Sat Apr 27 2013 07:21 PM

I heard Alaska State really flies around the ball. - Edgeman Sat Apr 27 2013 09:22 PM

Simon Fraser in British Columbia is already in the NCAA (Division 2). Once... - Old Line Hokie Sat Apr 27 2013 09:46 PM

the two things mentioned have been the ACCN, which was speculated by the media... - daveinop Sat Apr 27 2013 05:09 PM

Not going to happen. The ACC has 50+ years of equal revenue sharing and it... - hokiebob01 Sat Apr 27 2013 12:58 PM

Is it typical for a conference to own all of its members' games? - lawhokie Sat Apr 27 2013 05:52 PM

Agreed. Equal revenue sharing builds comradery and solidarity, whereas unequal... - 133304Hokie Sat Apr 27 2013 01:23 PM

IMHO the only way to build a stable conference is to get more money for... - DMaroonHokie Sat Apr 27 2013 04:16 PM

Honestly, I think that Florida State just took a good, hard look and their... - 133304Hokie Sat Apr 27 2013 05:29 PM

I don't agree with paying schools differently based on performance, but... - Edgeman Sat Apr 27 2013 12:40 PM

Sorry, but you can't have pods... it drives Coach K bat$#!*. - Calamitous Sun Apr 28 2013 04:18 PM

Okay, I edited my post for you. Better? - Freddyburg Hokie Sun Apr 28 2013 09:04 AM

The ACC's problem can't be solved by pods. The ACC's problem is that it has... - lawhokie Sat Apr 27 2013 06:24 PM

poty - Beez Tue Apr 30 2013 12:47 AM

It is certainly is better than what we have now. A realignment won't solve any... - Colonel Jessup Sun Apr 28 2013 06:13 PM

Very excited to see all these school's in B-burg. All of the newbies recruiting... - MrFantastic! Sun Apr 28 2013 10:02 AM

You are making the common mistake in confusing performance with draw. - lawhokie Sun Apr 28 2013 08:50 PM

Truth. POTW. - Femoyer Hokie Sun Apr 28 2013 08:44 AM

TV guys that pay the money will tell you FSU & Miami taking a dive at the same... - Stech Sat Apr 27 2013 08:11 PM

The digression of Miami and FSU killed the ACC over the past 9 years. Tech was... - Calamitous Sun Apr 28 2013 07:21 PM

TV money makes up less than 1/3 of our revenue. At real football schools the... - lawhokie Sat Apr 27 2013 08:29 PM

If you are saying we need a better schedule like most if not all, I agree, but... - Stech Sun Apr 28 2013 09:30 AM

Is the rumored ACC/Big XII scheduling alliance a real thing or just another... - hokieball Sun Apr 28 2013 09:58 AM

It is fair to say the alliance could be part of what is going on. That are the... - MrFantastic! Sun Apr 28 2013 10:04 AM

I won't comment on a particular conference, but when IMHO we go to 4 divisions... - Stech Sun Apr 28 2013 10:21 AM

I'd be nice to get rid of crossovers. I like what you said about keeping it a... - Maroon Baboon Sun Apr 28 2013 11:59 AM

Well all this stuff is interesting. Glad you got bead on it Stech. Confuses me.... - MrFantastic! Sun Apr 28 2013 10:40 AM

And that's why the SEC would have been soooo delicious. I'm more bearish than... - Maroon Baboon Sat Apr 27 2013 07:41 PM

I don't like this pod setup... I LOVE IT!!! The downside of fixed divisions... - gman86 Sat Apr 27 2013 08:44 AM

90s with Florida, UT, and Georgia... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - BUGGZY Fri Apr 26 2013 06:09 PM

The 90s was not the last 5 years. - 133304Hokie Fri Apr 26 2013 09:57 PM

you said "never"... "Um, no the East has never been the dominant division."... - BUGGZY Fri Apr 26 2013 10:03 PM

So I did, you are correct. I misspoke. - 133304Hokie Fri Apr 26 2013 10:48 PM

You could have just cheated and edited your post. ;^) Edited for 133304's... - Freddyburg Hokie Fri Apr 26 2013 11:51 PM

That would be cheating. - 133304Hokie Sat Apr 27 2013 02:31 AM

Buggzy and I both had similar concepts a while back. His concept was for no... - HokieZig Fri Apr 26 2013 03:30 PM

Rotating teams EVERY year is something we should do. Rotating them every two... - Maroon Baboon Fri Apr 26 2013 03:09 PM

i think we may hear something about divisions this summer. some other boards... - BUGGZY Fri Apr 26 2013 02:50 PM

I just hope that we do not have a Nordic division with VT in it !!! - 133193Hokie Fri Apr 26 2013 06:39 PM

I would be surprised if the divisions weren't aligned North/South, with Miami... - Freddyburg Hokie Fri Apr 26 2013 03:52 PM

UVa fans would stroke out with that alignment. They would be the only non... - corvt2000 Fri Apr 26 2013 10:33 PM

what has changed to cause FSU, Clemson and GT to suddenly be ok with the ACC... - BUGGZY Fri Apr 26 2013 04:40 PM

Everyone (myself included) has their preferred "static 2 division alignment". ... - GusDaMan Fri Apr 26 2013 04:04 PM

I posted this same thought the other day and got told it was no good because... - hokie4ever Fri Apr 26 2013 04:16 PM

One of these things is not like the others... - GusDaMan Fri Apr 26 2013 03:38 PM

ESPN always manages to promote that game as if Flutie himself is going to come... - BUGGZY Fri Apr 26 2013 04:36 PM

That's alright but no where near the pod idea, IMO. - Colonel Jessup Fri Apr 26 2013 03:09 PM

That makes a whole lot of sense. It actually makes so much sense, that I'm... - 133304Hokie Fri Apr 26 2013 03:01 PM

Coastal Division is loaded with Tech, UNC, Miami, and FSU. Atlantic looks much... - Old Line Hokie Fri Apr 26 2013 03:01 PM

That's pretty much the way it is in the SEC and the future B1G. The SEC west is... - 133304Hokie Fri Apr 26 2013 03:04 PM

It used tobe the opposite WRT the SEC. During Bama's down years the SEC east... - corvt2000 Fri Apr 26 2013 09:41 PM

Um, about 5 years ago, the SEC East was by far better than the West. - chuckd4vt Fri Apr 26 2013 04:41 PM

Um, no the East has never been the dominant division. The SEC East has had 1... - 133304Hokie Fri Apr 26 2013 05:56 PM

Going back a ways, but the SEC in the 90s often boiled down to FL vs TN. ... - Late 80s Hokie Tue Apr 30 2013 11:58 AM

Disagree, a little over 5 years ago, Bama was struggling and it was a one team... - chuckd4vt Sat Apr 27 2013 10:23 AM

Nebraska, K St, Colorado and Mizzou circa late 90's/early 00's would like to... - BUGGZY Fri Apr 26 2013 03:10 PM

It's always a mistake because competitive balance is a snapshot in time. ... - NC ACC Hokie Fri Apr 26 2013 03:09 PM

Clemson, L'ville, GT, NCSU is not a slack top 4. i don't think of UNC when i... - BUGGZY Fri Apr 26 2013 03:04 PM

Take FSU out and replace them with GT or NCSU and will agree with you. Miami... - Old Line Hokie Fri Apr 26 2013 03:41 PM

Very interesting. - 133940Hokie Mon Apr 29 2013 05:33 PM

In that case VTs football run of decent football would have been over for a... - Buy These! Sat Apr 27 2013 06:23 AM

2007 might have been our best. Hall and Adibi in their prime. And the... - chuckd4vt Sat Apr 27 2013 11:48 AM

This is Swofford at his best - Mercury Fri Apr 26 2013 09:32 AM

Swofford made a few serious mistakes, but he never really had much to work... - lawhokie Sat Apr 27 2013 06:10 PM

Agree about the Miami situation and I'm a Pro Swofford guy. - Hamburger Sun Apr 28 2013 03:17 AM

Miami was suppose to bring another national powerhouse football program to the... - Old Line Hokie Sat Apr 27 2013 09:13 PM

Spot on, Miami with National Title, huge Media market, recruiting hotbed, solid... - VT75 Sun Apr 28 2013 08:10 AM

Driving the top conference to the brink of collapse in 10 years? He ticks off... - chuckd4vt Fri Apr 26 2013 12:41 PM

Dude you are a broken record on Swofford - Buy These! Fri Apr 26 2013 04:28 PM

Obviously you are not fond of acc elite academic culture - Mercury Fri Apr 26 2013 03:51 PM

I am not comfortable with "elite academic culture." As a person who is... - chuckd4vt Sat Apr 27 2013 01:01 PM

Population growth, save for the US Congress, isn't a zero-sum game. The only... - Perfesser Sun Apr 28 2013 07:09 AM

Whatever instability the ACC had/has is more a product of FSU (and Miami's)... - Vippie1 Fri Apr 26 2013 12:49 PM

Um, both have still been good. You expect them to be NC contenders every yr? ... - chuckd4vt Fri Apr 26 2013 01:17 PM

yeah the whole original premise of expanding to 12 (mainly at FSU's wish) was... - Vippie1 Fri Apr 26 2013 06:21 PM

Yep, FSU, Miami and Clemson went in the tank for about a decade. (Actually two... - Edgeman Fri Apr 26 2013 06:32 PM

Just imagine if Clemson, Miami, and Florida state had been really great the... - 133304Hokie Sat Apr 27 2013 02:35 AM

Pretty clear our television contracts would have been on par with the... - Edgeman Sat Apr 27 2013 09:24 AM

And without them, our contract would be half what it is now. And UVA would... - chuckd4vt Sat Apr 27 2013 12:38 PM

great! and what network were you going to sign that short term deal with? no... - BUGGZY Fri Apr 26 2013 01:43 PM

I am bordering on hateful with regard to Swofford. I'll just refer to it as... - chuckd4vt Fri Apr 26 2013 02:32 PM

we get it. i'm not a fan either. i think all of the ACC members with enough... - daveinop Sat Apr 27 2013 11:52 AM

I read on another board that Swofford worked his own school and others... - Colonel Jessup Fri Apr 26 2013 02:54 PM

Perhaps. We'll see. - chuckd4vt Fri Apr 26 2013 02:18 PM

I will always wonder "what if" FSU had been the SEC's choice instead of... - I85Hokie Fri Apr 26 2013 09:14 AM

If the SEC had made a nod towards FSU, rather than have to take Mizzou, F$U... - Atlee Hokie Fri Apr 26 2013 04:51 PM

Well yeah. - chuckd4vt Thu Apr 25 2013 11:32 PM

Swofford clearly did a masterful job of talking Florida State back off the... - 133304Hokie Thu Apr 25 2013 10:13 PM

Sounds like he really just laid out the facts to all of the decision-makers at... - Hokiestud Sun Apr 28 2013 02:20 PM

Swofford deserves credit for getting Notre Dame in the fold and stabilizing the... - VT75 Fri Apr 26 2013 05:43 AM

The SEC's "decision" not to double up in Florida or South Carolina is hardly... - HOKIERIT Fri Apr 26 2013 09:03 AM

If you call negotiating a ridiculously undervalued TV contract stabilizing. ... - chuckd4vt Fri Apr 26 2013 08:10 AM

Some financial and reallignment questions... - wasris Fri Apr 26 2013 08:40 AM

see responses below each of your questions - Hokie83 Fri Apr 26 2013 08:55 AM

APPRECIATE the information 83!! - wasris Fri Apr 26 2013 03:28 PM

Maybe that cleans it up a little better? - Hokie CPA Fri Apr 26 2013 12:01 PM

wait, are you saying the $20M+ does or does not include the ND games? i had... - BUGGZY Fri Apr 26 2013 10:17 AM

I think it does, final deal has not been announced to my knowledge, just... - Hokie83 Fri Apr 26 2013 10:20 AM

Hokie83, are you able to respond to Stech's question two threads below this... - Hokie Howie Fri Apr 26 2013 11:05 AM

Heard a few things but nothing I can verify or would want to post at this point... - Hokie83 Fri Apr 26 2013 12:02 PM

Completely understand. If the opportunity ever comes around to share, I'd love... - Hokie Howie Fri Apr 26 2013 03:02 PM

FSU on board tells a lot. The article above let's you know that they had to be... - Stech Fri Apr 26 2013 07:36 PM

c'mon, man! you can't just drive by with a nugget like this and not give us... - BUGGZY Fri Apr 26 2013 09:37 PM

All I can say is the school that worried the ACC the most was FSU. Now ask... - Stech Sat Apr 27 2013 07:55 AM

Well it has to be football related. And the only thing football related that... - DMaroonHokie Sat Apr 27 2013 09:57 AM

FSU's board was vocal in their displeasure of the ACC TV contract. The... - hokieball Sat Apr 27 2013 10:06 AM

Agree. Two thoughts. With the dragging out of the SEC and ACC networks, might... - Femoyer Hokie Sun Apr 28 2013 09:07 AM

Still think it would be cool to have some type of cross network sharing with... - VT_JustinGlass Sun Apr 28 2013 09:24 AM

My question for fsu board of trustees - Mercury Sat Apr 27 2013 11:24 AM

I can buy UF, but I just don't see it with scUM. - Edgeman Sat Apr 27 2013 12:43 PM

It's not an either or situation. Sure, FSU and Maryland could spend their... - chuckd4vt Sat Apr 27 2013 12:42 PM

Was my first thought too, and certainly seems to be what the article is... - hokiefan86 Sat Apr 27 2013 10:33 AM

A cliff that his mismanagement led them to. - chuckd4vt Thu Apr 25 2013 11:33 PM

Maybe Swofford could've negotiated a better TV deal last time. However, he's... - mancunian Fri Apr 26 2013 08:21 AM

Even w/ those blemishes, FSU, Miami, and VT earn their keep and deserve more... - chuckd4vt Fri Apr 26 2013 08:49 AM

That can be debated. Florida State has nobody to blame but Florida State. - Hamburger Fri Apr 26 2013 05:31 AM

Not true. FSU, Clemson, VT, etc... deserve more money than Vandy, Iowa, or... - chuckd4vt Fri Apr 26 2013 08:03 AM

This is a major difference in opinion - Mercury Fri Apr 26 2013 09:41 AM

I am typically a capitalist myself, and innately prefer the pay for performance... - JohnsonCItyHokie Mon Apr 29 2013 08:51 PM

All for one and one for all for all schools not named Notre Dame. - 244oshag Sat Apr 27 2013 10:51 AM

Yet another reference to the mythical link between academic excellence and... - HokieNoVA Fri Apr 26 2013 12:32 PM

Evidence: the B1G's CIC. - Freddyburg Hokie Fri Apr 26 2013 03:27 PM

Dude, I grew up 5 miles from campus and graduated from VT. And what we're... - chuckd4vt Fri Apr 26 2013 12:08 PM

Actually, the ACC looks at the B1G's CIC as something they very much would like... - Hokie CPA Fri Apr 26 2013 12:15 PM

How can such a group of incredibly diverse university's pull off anything... - chuckd4vt Fri Apr 26 2013 12:22 PM

Expand your horizons past Lane Stadium. Duke has more in common with... - Perfesser Fri Apr 26 2013 02:55 PM

Post of the day. - NC ACC Hokie Fri Apr 26 2013 10:32 AM

Vanderbilt will soon make much more in conference tv money than USC. Bruce... - Colonel Jessup Fri Apr 26 2013 09:32 AM

Not pouting, just suggesting Swofford is no hero. We SHOULD expect more out of... - chuckd4vt Fri Apr 26 2013 12:12 PM

FSU declined SEC membership. When opportunities arise, you have to take them. ... - daveinop Fri Apr 26 2013 08:51 AM

FSU and Clemson didn't leave merely because of their unfortunate geography. ... - chuckd4vt Fri Apr 26 2013 12:11 PM

and that is relevant, how? - daveinop Fri Apr 26 2013 01:41 PM

In suggesting Swofford kept FSU & Clemson in the league. Geo. did. - chuckd4vt Fri Apr 26 2013 02:19 PM

if, but, if, but, if, but... - daveinop Sat Apr 27 2013 09:54 AM

He sure did. I wonder what he said to UVa and Clemson? I guess all the... - Old Line Hokie Thu Apr 25 2013 10:44 PM

A masterful job? He's the reason they considered leaving. And believe me, he... - chuckd4vt Fri Apr 26 2013 08:18 AM

I believe VT would be in the SEC now if the ACC had actually voted in The Big... - Atlee Hokie Fri Apr 26 2013 04:56 PM

So what you're saying is this is all UVa's fault?:D - Old Line Hokie Fri Apr 26 2013 05:28 PM

I am with you chuck4vt! I also am NOT rejoicing that we are stuck (IMO) in the... - HOKIERIT Fri Apr 26 2013 09:00 AM

Being a Tech fan is excruciating most times. Once you think we're winning in a... - Calamitous Fri Apr 26 2013 10:25 PM

Don't argue with the ACC apologists. They must forget that the ACC is a... - HOKIERIT Sat Apr 27 2013 02:39 PM

don't try to reason with the pro-SEC folks...they must forget that Kentucky... - BUGGZY Fri Apr 26 2013 10:44 PM

I think academically the SEC might be the best fit. I feel nothing even... - chuckd4vt Sat Apr 27 2013 10:09 AM

That is where you are wrong, va and va tech no longer a southern school - Mercury Sat Apr 27 2013 12:55 PM

Didn't our DO school just open a branch campus around Auburn/Montgomery, AL? - Edgeman Sat Apr 27 2013 01:35 PM

There isn't a research focus at most SEC schools. Like it or not, VT is a... - Perfesser Sat Apr 27 2013 12:54 PM

These two statements seem to be the key, here. They would have to overcome a... - Freddyburg Hokie Sat Apr 27 2013 01:55 PM

I can see that. Good points, I somewhat disagree, but good points. - chuckd4vt Sat Apr 27 2013 01:05 PM

I'd rather see JMU in the MAC than CUSA. Maybe another eastern member for the... - Old Line Hokie Thu Apr 25 2013 10:11 PM

Maybe ODU can lobby CUSA for UR, NoVa and FUMA as well. ;^) - Freddyburg Hokie Thu Apr 25 2013 04:32 PM

GOR's are a sign of something big coming...they are not the big thing. ... - Stech Thu Apr 25 2013 08:06 PM

HOKIE83..Per Stech's post, are you in position to share more?? Thanks for the... - Hokie Howie Fri Apr 26 2013 10:14 AM

Not 83, but if I had to guess, I would bet on the ACC Network. The ACC is... - GreatSmokieHokie Fri Apr 26 2013 11:44 PM

Something big had to happen between last summer when some ACC schools were... - DMaroonHokie Thu Apr 25 2013 08:29 PM

Most people I know arent happy with the GOR signing. Actually I only know one... - Beez Thu Apr 25 2013 06:48 PM

I think you need some new friends. ;^) - Freddyburg Hokie Thu Apr 25 2013 09:51 PM

Now you know of two, moi. - Herr Hokie Thu Apr 25 2013 08:58 PM

Three. While I would prefer Big 10 and SEC would be fine, I think there was too... - Femoyer Hokie Fri Apr 26 2013 10:55 AM

And did the impending GOR force UMD to move quicker than they wanted to? - Femoyer Hokie Thu Apr 25 2013 11:37 AM

I don't know that Maryland was ever privy to the GOR discussion prior to... - Hokie CPA Thu Apr 25 2013 11:46 AM

I suspect the ACC was as open with Md as Md was about negotiating to leave... - daveinop Thu Apr 25 2013 08:29 PM

What I'm saying is that Maryland announced they were jumping to the B1G in... - Hokie CPA Thu Apr 25 2013 09:23 PM

Oh, I agree. And I'm saying they are currently persona non grata and the ACC... - daveinop Thu Apr 25 2013 09:44 PM

Some things that are I believe are still on the table in order of probability:... - hokieball Thu Apr 25 2013 11:32 AM

Not suggesting either is likely but which would be a bigger catch, Tx or PSU? ... - daveinop Thu Apr 25 2013 08:27 PM

Main gurus are mysteriously silent. Things that make you say............hmmmm! - hokie4ever Thu Apr 25 2013 11:24 AM

Stech has been out playing golf with John Swofford since Monday's announcement. - Old Line Hokie Thu Apr 25 2013 03:55 PM

If the Big XII ceased to exist as a conference, then that should void the GOR. ... - VTHokie2000 Fri Apr 26 2013 04:56 PM

Actually I think it would immediately dissolve if Big-TX left. - Edgeman Fri Apr 26 2013 05:52 PM

I initially thought that too. However, the thought of receiving Texas's,... - VTHokie2000 Fri Apr 26 2013 08:42 PM

This would take coordination. And if there is anything I'm convinced of... - Maroon Baboon Thu Apr 25 2013 01:52 PM

If I remember correctly it would take a 75% or 8 members to disband the Big 12.... - hailstatealum Thu Apr 25 2013 10:58 AM

I think the far more likely scenario would have Mizzou and Kansas going to the... - Hokie CPA Thu Apr 25 2013 11:41 AM

Iowa State is AAU. - lawhokie Thu Apr 25 2013 01:32 PM

Realignment is pretty much over for now other than maybe a UConn or Cincinnati... - hailstatealum Thu Apr 25 2013 02:11 PM

Just wait until Texas or Oklahoma don't make the playoffs, and the difference... - Freddyburg Hokie Thu Apr 25 2013 04:30 PM

Adding teams only helps SOS if you add quality. BYU is the only team out there... - Maroon Baboon Thu Apr 25 2013 04:55 PM

they are a game shy of everyone else...same with ND...and that puts them in a... - daveinop Fri Apr 26 2013 08:55 AM

Wvu has to ratchet it up for acc to even consider them - Mercury Thu Apr 25 2013 03:42 PM

Yep, that's crazy talk...lol - Edgeman Thu Apr 25 2013 01:48 PM

Iowa State actually is an AAU member. Iowa State's main problem in trying... - 133304Hokie Thu Apr 25 2013 11:44 AM

Well I'll be darned! I guess there is one. Unfortunately for Iowa State the... - Hokie CPA Thu Apr 25 2013 11:49 AM

Is it true that Iowa doesn't want Iowa State in the Big 10 or is it the Big 10... - Old Line Hokie Thu Apr 25 2013 01:08 PM

If the Big 12 was collapsing and it looked like Iowa State would be left... - 133304Hokie Thu Apr 25 2013 01:23 PM

I agree with what you said about the BTN looking for more TV markets and ISU... - Old Line Hokie Thu Apr 25 2013 03:53 PM

The only scenario I could see with Iowa State going to the B1G would be... - 133304Hokie Thu Apr 25 2013 04:15 PM

All the reports I have seen would suggest that Kansas and Kansas State are a... - VTHokie2000 Fri Apr 26 2013 04:38 PM

Ninja Commissioner Swofford did what he always does. He makes his move in... - 133304Hokie Thu Apr 25 2013 11:05 AM

I also don't think Mizzou will leave the SEC. They already know the finances of... - hailstatealum Thu Apr 25 2013 11:24 AM

VT can still play some SEC teams. That would be better than some of the teams... - laphroaig Thu Apr 25 2013 11:36 AM

well in the grant of rights, the institution is not prohibited from leaving but... - Mercury Tue Apr 30 2013 07:46 AM

So the GOR is a way of slowing down, but not halting, the shifts in conference... - laphroaig Thu Apr 25 2013 09:12 AM

Certainly if someone really wants to leave, they will leave. You can't force... - 133304Hokie Thu Apr 25 2013 10:39 AM

The obvious solution would have been to kick out BC and then add UCONN. ... - HokieNoVA Fri Apr 26 2013 12:02 PM

I could see UConn as a 16th member for football only (maybe after adding Cincy... - I85Hokie Thu Apr 25 2013 09:14 AM

Why would we add them for the sport in which they generally suck? - Buy These! Thu Apr 25 2013 11:58 AM

True dat. - Hamburger Thu Apr 25 2013 06:15 PM

Excellent question. - Edgeman Thu Apr 25 2013 01:52 PM

Uconn has some major weaknesses - Mercury Thu Apr 25 2013 02:02 PM

Well if UConn was added how many states in New England would the ACC Network be... - hailstatealum Thu Apr 25 2013 03:37 PM

Bingo. - 133304Hokie Thu Apr 25 2013 04:06 PM

UConn would be a major upgrade to BC based on recent sports performance. - VT One Thu Apr 25 2013 07:38 AM

For how many ACC title games would UConn have qualified, since BC went to two? - Buy These! Thu Apr 25 2013 09:09 AM

My ideas: 1. I would not be suprised if the football first schools wanted... - Mr. Touchdown Wed Apr 24 2013 09:34 PM

The thing about UF is that they have other schools in the conference trying to... - Maroon Baboon Wed Apr 24 2013 09:45 PM

Not only is there a voting block of 5 schools who want to keep their in-state... - 133304Hokie Wed Apr 24 2013 11:03 PM

More than that, the ACC and the SEC were all members of the same conference... - Hokie CPA Thu Apr 25 2013 12:13 PM

And those swaps weren't direct poachings either. In both cases the schools... - NC ACC Hokie Thu Apr 25 2013 01:47 PM

Funny thing is they have a radio show in WV with these insiders and they talked... - hailstatealum Wed Apr 24 2013 11:14 PM

From what I've heard, BC wanted to be the only ACC team in New England for... - 133304Hokie Wed Apr 24 2013 08:22 PM

Hate to say it, but Pitt is a better academic school than UConn. - Tailgate Guru Thu Apr 25 2013 08:48 AM

I'm really happy the ACC took Pitt over UCONN. - Edgeman Wed Apr 24 2013 09:03 PM

Do any of you think the ACC will go after Cincinnati? - hailstatealum Wed Apr 24 2013 09:31 PM

I think we are done, we have 16 for everything except Football. Who would... - Mr. Touchdown Wed Apr 24 2013 09:37 PM

I count 15. But I was a liberal arts major. When ND joins in full, they will... - seekoHoG Thu Apr 25 2013 09:15 AM

I don't think Navy will want that. I've heard the NAVY AD say that it's not in... - Atlee Hokie Thu Apr 25 2013 05:18 PM

Navy's other sports clearly could not compete with the ACC. But if Notre Dame... - 133304Hokie Thu Apr 25 2013 11:33 PM

16? - hokiebob01 Wed Apr 24 2013 10:10 PM

Cincinnati has pretty good football & basketball. Would prevent the Big 12 from... - hailstatealum Wed Apr 24 2013 09:44 PM

I'm all for screwing WVU, but we already have a bunch of their former... - Mr. Touchdown Wed Apr 24 2013 10:04 PM

So you aren't knowledgeable of the law but you think you know a lot more than... - Melbourne Hokie Thu Apr 25 2013 10:48 AM

i'm no lawyer either, but unless one could show that one was coerced or forced... - HokieNC Thu Apr 25 2013 07:34 AM

And then talked about it and embraced it in the media afterwards - Buy These! Thu Apr 25 2013 09:08 AM

Once they voted for it, that put the ball in the ACC's court. You'd look... - UTPr0sim Wed Apr 24 2013 10:29 PM

There are now 4 conferences with similar agreement and all have pretty good... - hokiebob01 Wed Apr 24 2013 10:14 PM

So this agreement is the iron-clad factor that cancels everything about the... - laphroaig Wed Apr 24 2013 10:22 PM

You mean the concept invented on the net? What's magic about 16? 14 is... - Buy These! Thu Apr 25 2013 09:13 AM

So the concept conferences should adopt is "less is more"? That doesn't seem... - laphroaig Thu Apr 25 2013 11:27 AM

The B1G can still go to 16 teams if they really want to. But they will either... - 133304Hokie Thu Apr 25 2013 01:32 AM

My understanding of the grant of rights is that the conference owns ALL of a... - NC ACC Hokie Thu Apr 25 2013 01:41 PM

A school cannot sign away rights it does not own. A school only owns the media... - 133304Hokie Fri Apr 26 2013 02:45 PM

Well we are speculating a bit here. I've tried to google on exactly what's... - NC ACC Hokie Fri Apr 26 2013 03:01 PM

The home team retains TV broadcast rights. There are generally standard... - Freddyburg Hokie Fri Apr 26 2013 03:15 PM

I agree that the home team customarily retains TV broadcast rights.... but what... - NC ACC Hokie Fri Apr 26 2013 03:20 PM

Hmmm...I don't have specific knowledge, so no, I don't know that the home team... - Freddyburg Hokie Fri Apr 26 2013 05:13 PM

Understood. Why don't these other conferences the institute the GOR? - laphroaig Thu Apr 25 2013 08:48 AM

Probably because all of those teams want to keep alive the dream of moving up... - GusDaMan Thu Apr 25 2013 10:35 AM

Exactly. The only major conference that doesn't have a grant of rights... - 133304Hokie Thu Apr 25 2013 10:37 AM

Here is bad scenario for ACC. Mizzou and UConn to B1G. ECU to SEC. ACC weakened... - Colonel Jessup Thu Apr 25 2013 01:05 PM

I have wondered before about the possibility of ECU in the SEC. It makes sense... - 133304Hokie Thu Apr 25 2013 10:21 PM

Yeah, ECU could surpass UNC/NCSU in football with their fan support and being... - Colonel Jessup Fri Apr 26 2013 09:26 AM

You seem to be arguing that FSU was coerced into signing the agreement and,... - 133304Hokie Wed Apr 24 2013 06:21 PM

Thanks. So what do you think about the Maryland exit fee case? Is that similar?... - hucareshokiesrul Wed Apr 24 2013 06:25 PM

The reason that the exit fee has been seen as a potential legal problem is... - 133304Hokie Wed Apr 24 2013 06:33 PM

Is the b10 loaning/advancing any of the gazzilions of $$$ MD is supposed to get... - Atlee Hokie Wed Apr 24 2013 07:16 PM

I don't know for sure, but I can only assume that the B1G has loaned/advanced... - 133304Hokie Wed Apr 24 2013 07:18 PM

Why would they need to borrow anything from outside sources? Couldn't they... - VT_JustinGlass Wed Apr 24 2013 08:15 PM

Depends on the rules governing their endowment. The trustees of the endowment... - 133304Hokie Wed Apr 24 2013 08:17 PM