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Forum: Conference Realignment

For discussing college football's inexorable march towards superconferences and a playoff.

    Give a TSL Pass gift subscription to the Hokie(s) in your life! Thread contains an image Thread contains a url - Will Stewart Fri Nov 30 2012 12:02 PM
    The ACC's fixation with private universities - I85Hokie Tue Jun 18 2013 08:24 AM
    Southern Cal, Miami & Notre Dame have won a few National Championships. It's... - Stech Wed Jun 19 2013 07:33 AM
    The ACC requires a 3/4 vote for most major changes. The smaller schools wanted... - hokiebob01 Wed Jun 19 2013 06:43 AM
    It's funny that the ACC is the only conference with built-in rival factions.... - lawhokie Wed Jun 19 2013 09:09 AM
    And where are the research dollars? It does VT no good to be associated with... - lawhokie Tue Jun 18 2013 01:59 PM
    what has VT's research budget done since joining the ACC? i don't have the... - daveinop Tue Jun 18 2013 03:54 PM
    [QUOTE=daveinop;787258]what has VT's research budget done since joining the... - chuckd4vt Tue Jun 18 2013 10:21 PM
    It's gone up quite a bit, despite inviting BC. - lawhokie Tue Jun 18 2013 04:26 PM
    [QUOTE=daveinop;787258]what has VT's research budget done since joining the... - Old Line Hokie Tue Jun 18 2013 04:23 PM
    That is why the ACC needs strong leadership, and leadership that everybody in... - chuckd4vt Tue Jun 18 2013 02:53 PM
    But hey, we can study abroad w/ Louisville students now. That's about the only... - chuckd4vt Tue Jun 18 2013 02:48 PM
    I'm not sure how true that is. are they not good at football because they are... - BUGGZY Tue Jun 18 2013 10:41 AM
    If you look at the ACC mission statement, the vision of the conference is not... - Mercury Tue Jun 18 2013 09:06 AM
    The ACC's recent mission has been to keep FSU from leaving. Thread contains no text - lawhokie Tue Jun 18 2013 01:54 PM
    Yep, and they nearly lost others as well. Thread contains no text - chuckd4vt Tue Jun 18 2013 02:33 PM
    The emphasis on academics and broad based sports programs is written into every... - 133193Hokie Tue Jun 18 2013 01:18 PM
    The ACC is wingin' it and doesn't know what its mission is anymore. If the... - Maroon Baboon Tue Jun 18 2013 12:20 PM
    All that went out the window when the ACC brought Louisville in. Maybe not all... - reestuart Tue Jun 18 2013 09:31 AM
    I bet by 2024 L'ville will have made into the top 100. It is my understanding... - seekoHoG Tue Jun 18 2013 08:59 PM
    I'm waiting to see what UofL athletics does when recruiting by ACC standards. ... - chuckd4vt Tue Jun 18 2013 10:31 PM
    I think they could have invited WVU and remained on the high road oddly. ... - chuckd4vt Tue Jun 18 2013 02:38 PM
    WVU?? High Road?? Your statement was TIC, right? Thread contains no text - Hokiefan5 Tue Jun 18 2013 02:52 PM
    I really do think inviting the primary institution of higher learning in the... - chuckd4vt Tue Jun 18 2013 10:27 PM
    Thats the trouble with so many hokie fans stuck in virginia they have not... - Mercury Tue Jun 18 2013 12:30 PM
    What? The folks at US News and WR must never get out of Va. Thread contains no text - chuckd4vt Tue Jun 18 2013 02:31 PM
    You don't need to travel to Louisville to see the ACT profile. - lawhokie Tue Jun 18 2013 02:22 PM
    They're ranked about the same as WVU. Do I think they'll always be down there?... - reestuart Tue Jun 18 2013 01:56 PM
    I have no problem with the Louisville invite. In fact, I'm excited to have a... - Maroon Baboon Tue Jun 18 2013 01:03 PM
    Uh, outside of admissions officers, gift officers, and PR types, nobody in... - Perfesser Tue Jun 18 2013 06:39 PM
    It's more interesting to me to look at standardized test scores. Thread contains no text - lawhokie Tue Jun 18 2013 08:58 PM
    ‘Studies of students of different ages have found a statistical association... - crabcake77 Tue Jun 18 2013 10:59 PM
    LOL - what a load of BS. - lawhokie Wed Jun 19 2013 08:52 AM
    Depends on how you measure academic excellence. Sure AAU is a big deal. But an... - Maroon Baboon Tue Jun 18 2013 07:44 PM
    Most of the top academic universities are AAU members. There are numerous... - Old Line Hokie Tue Jun 18 2013 08:21 PM
    I agree. Maybe I should qualify my earlier statement a bit. Being an AAU school... - Maroon Baboon Wed Jun 19 2013 09:28 AM
    Agreed. As Will said - with the ACC, academics are important until they... - 133193Hokie Tue Jun 18 2013 01:15 PM
    Yep. They claimed the high road until their backs were against the wall. Thread contains no text - reestuart Tue Jun 18 2013 03:01 PM
    I'd also say it went out the window with scandals at UNC and Miami. And... - Maroon Baboon Tue Jun 18 2013 12:06 PM
    The same was said when FSU was invited. Heck, UNC professors openly said... - Edgeman Tue Jun 18 2013 10:13 AM
    FSU is still ranked in the top 100 while Louisville is a WVU-like #160. FSU was... - Old Line Hokie Tue Jun 18 2013 12:50 PM
    In retrospect, FSU carried their weight in the conference. The same can't be... - Maroon Baboon Tue Jun 18 2013 12:08 PM
    ACC Travel Thread contains an image - Old Line Hokie Mon Jun 17 2013 09:45 PM
    Good job. I like any list that puts UMiami on the bottom. Thread contains no text Thread contains an image - laphroaig Tue Jun 18 2013 05:55 AM
    When Pitt and Syracuse were added, I remember seeing where Danville was the... - Victor Tango Mon Jun 17 2013 10:30 PM
    I was going by highway miles. Maybe air miles favor Danville? The center of... - Old Line Hokie Mon Jun 17 2013 10:56 PM
    Further inspection shows the center of the ACC to be in Carroll County,... Thread contains a url - Victor Tango Tue Jun 18 2013 11:08 AM
    Technically - this area is called Gladesboro.... I should know, I live about a... Thread contains a url - VT8207 Tue Jun 18 2013 01:00 PM
    If the ACC added Cincinnati, the geographic center would move to an area... - Old Line Hokie Tue Jun 18 2013 03:40 PM
    Pretty cool. I changed Miami to Coral Gables, FL. Geographically, Tech is... Thread contains an image Thread contains a url - Old Line Hokie Tue Jun 18 2013 12:25 PM
    You can make it a pentagram if you add High Point. :) Thread contains no text - Edgeman Tue Jun 18 2013 10:14 AM
    Wake, Duke, and truly innovative thinking by the ACC. - lawhokie Thu Jun 13 2013 06:17 PM
    Yet another example of the short-sightedness of the ACC. Other than Notre... - I85Hokie Mon Jun 17 2013 09:36 AM
    That is close to what Dude of WV and the Big-12 would have wanted: WVU and the... - I85Hokie Mon Jun 17 2013 09:01 AM
    ...or the SEC. Thread contains no text - 133304Hokie Mon Jun 17 2013 12:47 PM
    They could also combine to form the Duke Forest Blue Deacons football team. ... - crabcake77 Mon Jun 17 2013 08:54 AM
    I think that the better approach is for the ACC to continue being a conference... - HOO86 Sun Jun 16 2013 08:59 PM
    Should every school be required to play every sport? Right now, we have a... - lawhokie Sun Jun 16 2013 09:21 PM
    For Football and Men's & Women's Basketball, I'd say yes. And everyone does. ... - HOO86 Mon Jun 17 2013 09:22 AM
    Conferences get their identity from football and mens basketball. Nothing else... - Maroon Baboon Sun Jun 16 2013 10:02 PM
    Sure, but if you're going to do that, you have to be willing to have the ACC... - Will Stewart Sun Jun 16 2013 01:41 PM
    Sorry but that argument fails on many levels. - lawhokie Sun Jun 16 2013 09:05 PM
    day when con I don't agree it is that simple. To make this change would... - WestyHokie Mon Jun 17 2013 11:03 AM
    I responded to this same idea (that VT basketball IS wake/Duke football)earlier... - crabcake77 Sun Jun 16 2013 03:54 PM
    Be careful, there could be innovative thinking like this for basketball too... - Calamitous Sun Jun 16 2013 08:41 AM
    How much would donatins and other athletic revenues suffer if that were to... - crabcake77 Mon Jun 17 2013 08:47 AM
    Wake and Duke aren't the problem. It's the good teams not living up to... - wwhokie1 Sat Jun 15 2013 07:30 PM
    Nope, the ACC has a shortage of marquee football programs. That's the problem. ... - lawhokie Sun Jun 16 2013 09:16 PM
    The ACC has made the decision to count on Notre Dame eventually. You can judge... - HOO86 Mon Jun 17 2013 09:30 AM
    Good post. The ACC's woes won't easily be fixed by anything else other than... - Maroon Baboon Sat Jun 15 2013 12:53 PM
    oops. meant for TwoTechs Thread contains no text - Maroon Baboon Sat Jun 15 2013 03:38 PM
    I think you go too far when you say that. Are Wake alumni rabid football fans?... Thread contains a url - TwoTechs Sat Jun 15 2013 10:16 AM
    For such a small school, Wofford has a nice stadium: ... Thread contains a url - crabcake77 Sat Jun 15 2013 07:21 PM
    Wake has the same design as Lane and Indiana's stadium. Thread contains no text Thread contains a url - Calamitous Sun Jun 16 2013 08:50 AM
    Tech knew exactly what they were joining when they got into the ACC in 2004. ... Thread contains a url - Old Line Hokie Sat Jun 15 2013 12:59 PM
    But nearly everything the ACC Brass has done the last 10 yrs has been a... - chuckd4vt Sat Jun 15 2013 02:08 PM
    I understand where you're coming from. The problem is, the ACC really had no... - Old Line Hokie Sat Jun 15 2013 06:41 PM
    I just think expansion was done in the wrong order and we're paying a hefty... - chuckd4vt Sun Jun 16 2013 05:17 AM
    That would have been cool. But with this expansion stuff, I just wish one of... - Maroon Baboon Sun Jun 16 2013 04:58 PM
    Some good points. But at the time it was ALL about getting Miami. And Miami... - Femoyer Hokie Sun Jun 16 2013 12:11 PM
    That's the shame of it all. Miami has been a total bust in all respects.... - Maroon Baboon Sun Jun 16 2013 04:46 PM
    Couldn't agree more. Thread contains no text - Femoyer Hokie Sun Jun 16 2013 04:56 PM
    This lady was calling the shots. ... Thread contains an image - Old Line Hokie Sun Jun 16 2013 01:52 PM
    The only college/university president who has to put themselves into their... Thread contains an image - HokieDevil Mon Jun 17 2013 11:47 AM
    Ha! And they are ridiculous for allowing it. She's been easily manipulating... Thread contains an image - chuckd4vt Sun Jun 16 2013 03:09 PM
    They invited BC well after Miami was in. Anyhow, this is what SHOULD have... - chuckd4vt Sun Jun 16 2013 01:41 PM
    Part of why Syracuse and BC were offered membership is to prevent a serious... - hokiebob01 Fri Jun 14 2013 08:59 AM
    That argument doesn't hold water. Basketball is an entirely different animal... - crabcake77 Fri Jun 14 2013 11:18 AM
    IMO, you totally underestimate the value of basketball in the ACC. It is not... - seekoHoG Fri Jun 14 2013 01:52 PM
    I'm not claiming basketball has no value, I'm citing its value to the new... Thread contains a url - crabcake77 Fri Jun 14 2013 02:05 PM
    Shorter: ACC doubled down on small-time football and VT a better fit for SEC Thread contains no text - Maroon Baboon Fri Jun 14 2013 11:17 AM
    The BOV and president disagrees - Mercury Fri Jun 14 2013 12:08 PM
    Agree with your first sentence, but not your last. VT would fit in just fine... - seekoHoG Fri Jun 14 2013 01:45 PM
    Problem is VT is behind the times. VT did not want to join the ACC when it... - maddogbob Sat Jun 15 2013 05:18 PM
    You're beating your head against the wall. I agree with you 100% but there are... - MPHOKIE Fri Jun 14 2013 09:04 PM
    It doesn't matter if you're pro-ACC or pro-SEC on this board, it's the Virginia... - Old Line Hokie Fri Jun 14 2013 09:38 PM
    It couldn't happen unless the ACC collapses, and if the ACC collapses there are... - 133304Hokie Fri Jun 14 2013 10:52 PM
    ACC won't "collapse" unless UNC decides it will. And if that is the case, VT... - Maroon Baboon Fri Jun 14 2013 11:27 PM
    Certainly VT is an attractive school. But the SEC decision makers don't seem to... - 133304Hokie Sat Jun 15 2013 01:17 AM
    I suppose that's one reason why FSU wanted to leave the ACC. - lawhokie Fri Jun 14 2013 09:43 AM
    And there is no way much of an academic collaboration will occur. The only... - chuckd4vt Sat Jun 15 2013 02:16 PM
    What is the motivation for Duke and Wake to give up all of that football money?... - GreatSmokieHokie Fri Jun 14 2013 07:47 AM
    There is no pressure to leave or improve, especially since the GOR was signed. Thread contains no text - Maroon Baboon Fri Jun 14 2013 11:21 AM
    I'd like to see VT, Clemson, FSU, and NCState break away and bring the five... - Maroon Baboon Thu Jun 13 2013 11:09 PM
    I don't see any reason for it. Wake won a championship a few years ago. Every... - reestuart Thu Jun 13 2013 07:42 PM
    The BC teams from 2007 and 2008 would have beaten that Wake team. And does Wake... - SuwaneeHokie820 Fri Jun 14 2013 01:06 PM
    Past championships have little to do with Duke and Wake's value on a school's... - lawhokie Fri Jun 14 2013 08:52 AM
    When I said Duke has potential, I mean they could possibly pull a Stanford. But... - 133304Hokie Fri Jun 14 2013 10:47 PM
    BC has more value since they are the only ACC member in New England. The ACC... - Old Line Hokie Thu Jun 13 2013 07:53 PM
    Duke has potential, and at least gives you a game that sounds like it should be... - 133304Hokie Thu Jun 13 2013 10:10 PM
    Should have taken Rutgers ahead of BC. The Big Ten wouldn't have taken BC, so... - reestuart Thu Jun 13 2013 10:31 PM
    Should have taken WVU, Pitt, Louisville and even UConn ahead of BC and Rutgers.... - Tailgate Guru Fri Jun 14 2013 04:40 PM
    Yeah, I'd take the 1st 3 you list ahead of any of the others. I wouldn't want... - reestuart Sun Jun 16 2013 10:17 AM
    Rutgers didn't fit the ACC profile. The ACC was looking for private... - Old Line Hokie Fri Jun 14 2013 08:42 AM
    I agree. Rutgers would have been better than BC in retrospect. Probably would... - 133304Hokie Thu Jun 13 2013 10:48 PM
    At no time was Fredo a better fit for the ACC. I guess for some, it looks that... - Atlee Hokie Thu Jun 13 2013 11:03 PM
    Can we start calling Notre Dame Khrushchev like we label BC Fredo? I still... - Calamitous Sun Jun 16 2013 09:13 AM
    Could have been as Irish bait only. Thread contains no text - lawhokie Fri Jun 14 2013 08:50 AM
    USC and Navy are the only teams I think ND feels like they can't go without... - Maroon Baboon Fri Jun 14 2013 11:33 PM
    When has ND ever lost any sleep over Fredo. ND doesn't care about Fredo. They... - Atlee Hokie Fri Jun 14 2013 12:28 PM
    If that was the plan, the ACC is way more inept than anyone could have ever... - reestuart Fri Jun 14 2013 09:20 AM
    I would love this, but it's never gonna happen. Thread contains no text - Freddyburg Hokie Thu Jun 13 2013 06:46 PM
    And let's hope it never does. Having one partial member in ND is bad enough. ... - Calamitous Sun Jun 16 2013 09:06 AM
    Isn't just about every ACC school a partial member? - lawhokie Sun Jun 16 2013 09:17 PM
    You're absolutely right... - Calamitous Mon Jun 17 2013 12:40 AM
    No, but every school except Notre Dame plays all their sports in the ACC that... - Old Line Hokie Sun Jun 16 2013 10:09 PM
    Louisville continues their domination of the NCAA Thread contains a url - Truthahn Wed Jun 12 2013 11:08 AM
    True... UL is on a roll lately. I should reserve judgment on them for about 5... Thread contains a url - Calamitous Sun Jun 16 2013 09:33 AM
    OH---- LOUISVILLE will not only continue to roll ....but they will be a major... - dna-vt Sun Jun 16 2013 10:51 PM
    I will agree with you regarding UL basketball. Time will tell with the other... - Calamitous Mon Jun 17 2013 12:54 AM
    I wonder if anyone has put odds on Louisville winning the ACC in football,... Thread contains a url - Hoakie82 Wed Jun 12 2013 10:53 PM
    They are certainly in the conversation in all three sports. I think they are... - GreatSmokieHokie Thu Jun 13 2013 04:02 PM
    I agree. UNC and possibly FSU are the only other schools that could win all... - Old Line Hokie Thu Jun 13 2013 05:46 PM
    Looks like a great Sports addition to the ACC! Who did better, the ACC with... Thread contains a url - Edgeman Wed Jun 12 2013 01:24 PM
    These things go in cycles, so there's no guarantee Louisville will continue to... - 133304Hokie Wed Jun 12 2013 05:28 PM
    Agreed. UofL had 1 decent season and 1 great game. And frankly, who knows if... - chuckd4vt Thu Jun 13 2013 10:10 PM
    With the ACC's luck, Louisville will be placed on probation the year they join... - Old Line Hokie Wed Jun 12 2013 06:55 PM
    They sure are putting a lot of cash into the program. Guess they can thank... - Edgeman Wed Jun 12 2013 05:34 PM
    That statement makes me worry about all the B1G schools that seem to be awash... - 133304Hokie Wed Jun 12 2013 05:37 PM
    Yup, the Big 12 screwed up there but they've been screwing up a lot the past... - Old Line Hokie Wed Jun 12 2013 03:43 PM
    ACC television revenue increased 64.5% in 2011-12, ahead of the Big 12 & Pac... Thread contains a url - Stech Tue Jun 11 2013 09:35 PM
    Did UMD get a check? Thread contains no text - 33laszlo99 Wed Jun 12 2013 02:03 PM
    no, but their money wasn't distributed to the rest of us, either. from what i... - BUGGZY Wed Jun 12 2013 02:11 PM
    I'm guessing the ACC/Maryland exit fee debacle will drag on but that would be... Thread contains a url - Old Line Hokie Tue Jun 11 2013 10:45 PM
    Well, the new TV deal kicked in for the ACC during that year. As for the Big 12... Thread contains a url - MPHOKIE Tue Jun 11 2013 10:23 PM
    ACC deal is not done either, "Swofford and ESPN officials are exploring the... - Stech Wed Jun 12 2013 05:36 AM
    LET US NOT OVERLOOK THE OBVIOUS; The branding rights for "ACC NETWORK" have... - 33laszlo99 Sun Jun 16 2013 01:16 AM
    Pure conjecture at this point. If it happens (I think it won't) I'll give all... - MPHOKIE Wed Jun 12 2013 03:58 PM
    You're never going to be able to get a meaningful comparison unless you know... - 2hhoop3 Thu Jun 13 2013 08:52 AM
    So the Big 12 and PAC 12 are not done, but you are implying they will do better... - Stech Wed Jun 12 2013 08:20 PM
    These numbers are from the final year of the Big 12/Pac 12's old TV deals. And... - MPHOKIE Thu Jun 13 2013 09:34 AM
    FSU received almost $18.3M from the ACC for 2012-13. ... Thread contains a url - BUGGZY Wed Jun 12 2013 04:02 PM
    What is this "exploring" crap? Thought it was a "done deal." Will really be... - Edgeman Wed Jun 12 2013 06:44 AM
    You must have missed the part where they have to buy the rights to a lot of... - hokiebob01 Wed Jun 12 2013 07:02 AM
    It's less on the TV Committee made up of 3 presidents, than it is on the TV... - Atlee Hokie Wed Jun 12 2013 11:36 PM
    So Swofford needs to pump ACC money into his son's bank accounts to make this... - Edgeman Wed Jun 12 2013 09:21 AM
    UR professor thinks Spiders should drop to D-III, a position NOT shared by UR's... Thread contains a url - Culpeper Hokie Tue Jun 11 2013 09:43 AM
    I'm sure the ODAC would love to have them. Thread contains no text Thread contains a url - Hamburger Tue Jun 11 2013 04:33 PM
    I knew a husband and wife who were both professors at the University of... Thread contains a url - Old Line Hokie Tue Jun 11 2013 10:52 AM
    Guarantee he is no longer the Richmond faculty representative. Richmond has... - Mercury Tue Jun 11 2013 10:14 AM
    If you polled professors at any school, I'd be willing to bet you'd get a... Thread contains a url - HOKIERIT Tue Jun 11 2013 09:57 AM
    Agreed about professors. Some lobe bigtime athletics, most don't. Thread contains no text - chuckd4vt Tue Jun 11 2013 04:42 PM
    We clearly need innovation and foresight WRT ACC scheduling, we've gotten... - chuckd4vt Sun Jun 09 2013 01:12 PM
    We need NCAA permission to do away with divisions? Thread contains no text - laphroaig Sun Jun 09 2013 02:48 PM
    Like NASCAR. Top 2 teams make "the Chase." Uhh, no thanks. Thread contains no text - Maroon Baboon Sun Jun 09 2013 10:14 PM
    Who would want to see the two best teams? Let's allow 5 & 6 loss squads in. Thread contains no text - chuckd4vt Mon Jun 10 2013 01:44 PM
    we should allow top two if one of the division champs is on probation. with... - Maroon Baboon Mon Jun 10 2013 02:19 PM
    If we want to still have a championship game we do. NCAA rules state that you... - 133304Hokie Sun Jun 09 2013 03:47 PM
    A championship game without divisions is a crazier idea than wild card teams. Thread contains no text - laphroaig Sun Jun 09 2013 09:28 PM
    What's crazy is watching a 6 loss GT instead of a top 10 Clemson squad. And... - chuckd4vt Mon Jun 10 2013 01:47 PM
    This is also why Clemson and FSU shouldn't be in the same division. They are... - Maroon Baboon Mon Jun 10 2013 02:22 PM
    True for now, but who knows what the future brings? Maybe all that cheating... - Old Line Hokie Mon Jun 10 2013 03:35 PM
    Bingo!!....and dittos to all the above. As I said in an earlier post all the... - Mass Hokie Sun Jun 09 2013 04:26 PM
    Because of the location and academics of the ACC I will admit I like being in... - Stech Sun Jun 09 2013 02:07 PM
    The shape of our footprint is decidedly worse than the SEC for the purpose of a... - Maroon Baboon Sun Jun 09 2013 10:30 PM
    Campus sites work until Wake and GT pull another stuner, welcome to Groves... - FlyFishingHokie Mon Jun 10 2013 09:51 AM
    It would be better watching a sell out in a small stadium than watching a 1/2... - Stech Tue Jun 11 2013 07:27 AM
    And it would be worse if they played in Charlotte or Tampa Thread contains no text - Maroon Baboon Mon Jun 10 2013 12:53 PM
    If the conference can't fill a home stadium for a championship game, the... - laphroaig Tue Jun 11 2013 10:24 AM
    Agreed. And the said team shouldn't be in the conference. The home team should... - Maroon Baboon Tue Jun 11 2013 11:52 AM
    I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or serious. Either way, I like that... - laphroaig Tue Jun 11 2013 12:16 PM
    I'm serious. When certain programs have the opportunity to bolt to better... - Maroon Baboon Tue Jun 11 2013 02:50 PM
    Attendance in Charlotte is way up over Florida hosting ACCCG. It's not perfect,... - Stech Tue Jun 11 2013 07:21 AM
    The most important factor for the ACCCG is not where it's played but who plays... - Mark425Hokie Tue Jun 11 2013 07:39 AM
    Nope, every matchup except FSU vs Miami will draw better in Charlotte. FSU vs.... - chuckd4vt Tue Jun 11 2013 04:49 PM
    If what you say is true then please explain why the 2006 game in Jacksonville... - Mark425Hokie Wed Jun 12 2013 08:19 AM
    If you think there was even remotely close to 63,000 people at that Wake-GT... - SuwaneeHokie820 Wed Jun 12 2013 08:26 AM
    The weather on game day for the GT-Wake game was bad and it had an negative... - Mark425Hokie Wed Jun 12 2013 10:26 AM
    I can't find any pictures, but that game was horribly attended according to... - chuckd4vt Mon Jun 17 2013 11:50 PM
    I agree it was "horribly attended" and here's a summary from Warchant (FSU... - Mark425Hokie Tue Jun 18 2013 08:31 AM
    I'd say there were closer to 6,300 people at that Wake/GT game than 63,000. I... - Gobbler-100 Tue Jun 18 2013 12:06 AM
    I think it's fairly clear that most of the ACCCGs would have been better... - chuckd4vt Tue Jun 18 2013 02:46 PM
    Sorry, my error, first BC game was in Jacksonville Thread contains no text - Mark425Hokie Tue Jun 11 2013 07:48 AM
    Correct. Thread contains no text - Femoyer Hokie Mon Jun 10 2013 06:12 PM
    I think that is the next step and if/when we go to 4 divisions the highest... - Stech Mon Jun 10 2013 06:04 AM
    actually folks might consider that VT likes the schedule proposed. If they are... - Mercury Sun Jun 09 2013 06:29 PM
    I would not be surprised if all the coaches want an easier regular season... - Stech Sun Jun 09 2013 06:42 PM
    How much say did ESPN have in conference scheduling and cross rival opponents?... - Old Line Hokie Sun Jun 09 2013 08:40 PM
    I have said repeatedly that I think more expansion is coming and it is why the... - Stech Sun Jun 09 2013 09:13 PM
    What reasons do you have to think that more expansion is coming? If so, are we... - Maroon Baboon Sun Jun 09 2013 10:43 PM
    There is going to be another division in CFB that pays a stipend IMHO. The... - Stech Mon Jun 10 2013 06:31 AM
    Army, Navy, and Air Force already pay their athletes a stipend -- the same... - Perfesser Tue Jun 18 2013 05:26 AM
    I think you are probably right. But one question. Why is it that the Big 12's... - Femoyer Hokie Mon Jun 10 2013 10:57 AM
    They all can, but the Big 12 is held toghether by Texas and will fall apart if... - Stech Tue Jun 11 2013 07:32 AM
    The B1G 10 did raid the ACC, they failed at destroying it. And the ND stuff... - chuckd4vt Tue Jun 11 2013 04:46 PM
    I think the main reason for the Big 10's divisional changes was mostly due to... - Old Line Hokie Sun Jun 09 2013 10:19 PM
    Geography does create prolems in the ACC, but the East West version creates... - Stech Mon Jun 10 2013 06:10 AM
    Spot on! Thread contains no text - MPHOKIE Sun Jun 09 2013 08:33 PM
    Why is he taking direction from the coaches? I thought he reported to the... - 133193Hokie Sun Jun 09 2013 04:16 PM
    Yep,FSU's been screaming the loudest and they've been hooked up. And of... - chuckd4vt Sun Jun 09 2013 04:26 PM
    Who do we let know that we, the fans and alums, are not happy with most of the... - chuckd4vt Sun Jun 09 2013 02:24 PM
    Remember if it is all negative the receiver will not listen...there is all... - Stech Sun Jun 09 2013 03:56 PM
    Here is my answer to the current ACC Divsions and Cross Overs. Do East West... - Stech Sat Jun 08 2013 10:54 AM
    Okay, I'll take a shot.... EAST Maryland Michigan Michigan... - SuwaneeHokie820 Tue Jun 11 2013 11:49 AM
    I see a couple issues with it. 1. The 4 NC schools either need to be in... - VTHokie2000 Mon Jun 10 2013 05:34 PM
    This sounds eerily similar to one of the many ways the ACC screwed VT in the... - GusDaMan Tue Jun 11 2013 03:22 PM
    Yes, I agree it does not make a whole lot of sense for a school to play 2... - VTHokie2000 Tue Jun 11 2013 05:46 PM
    Wow! You and I have the same plan. I'm interested in getting your feedback on... - Maroon Baboon Mon Jun 10 2013 10:51 PM
    Generally speaking I don't have a problem with your rationale. Your statement... - VTHokie2000 Tue Jun 11 2013 03:17 AM
    I am for 9 or 10 ACC games AND only protecting one crossover rivalry. The... - Maroon Baboon Tue Jun 11 2013 03:29 PM
    If the ACC went to a 10 game conference schedule and adopted the pod method,... - VTHokie2000 Tue Jun 11 2013 04:35 PM
    If the ACC does go to 16 teams, this is how scheduling would probably look... Thread contains an image - Old Line Hokie Tue Jun 11 2013 12:22 PM
    The problem you are going to run into about having a permanent cross-divisional... - VTHokie2000 Tue Jun 11 2013 01:23 PM
    My system isn't perfect, but none of them will. Some team(s) will never be... - Old Line Hokie Tue Jun 11 2013 02:18 PM
    I wasn't suggesting there is a perfect system out there. However, I was... - VTHokie2000 Tue Jun 11 2013 04:00 PM
    If the ACC decides to go to a pod system, then it should abandon having... Thread contains an image - VTHokie2000 Tue Jun 11 2013 01:05 PM
    One alteration- Clemson/NCSU should be matched up as that is a fierce rivalry,... - BROman Hokie Mon Jun 10 2013 08:16 AM
    I like it Thread contains no text - 132555Hokie Sun Jun 09 2013 07:15 PM
    I think we about covered 500 different division scenarios now. We only have... - Old Line Hokie Sun Jun 09 2013 02:37 PM
    Maybe so, but just about all of them if not all of them seem like a big... - Stech Sun Jun 09 2013 04:09 PM
    Yup, I was just joking about the academic divisions. I agree with you about the... - Old Line Hokie Sun Jun 09 2013 08:05 PM
    did no one like my Virgolina division with no crossovers? Thread contains no text - BUGGZY Sun Jun 09 2013 08:46 PM
    Call it Virgilina. Virgilina is small crossroads town in Halifax County on the... - Old Line Hokie Sun Jun 09 2013 08:48 PM
    There's just no way you place 3 of your 4 best programs in the same division. ... - chuckd4vt Sun Jun 09 2013 01:02 PM
    You mean like Alabama, LSU & Auburn? Or like Ohio State, Michigan & Penn... - Stech Sun Jun 09 2013 01:22 PM
    The SEC has plenty of power in the East. Florida might be their best program... - chuckd4vt Sun Jun 09 2013 01:29 PM
    6 National Championships in a row out of the SEC West, the East doesn't compare... - Stech Sun Jun 09 2013 01:39 PM
    It's obviously cyclical and Florida was the premier program in fball 4 yrs ago.... - chuckd4vt Sun Jun 09 2013 02:30 PM
    Facts bare out the West is by far the best. Alabama 15 National Championships... - Stech Sun Jun 09 2013 04:03 PM
    That is just not true. The SEC East has won 11 titles and the West 10. And... - chuckd4vt Sun Jun 09 2013 04:34 PM
    Short term 6 straight National Championships. Long term 28 to 15 National... - Stech Sun Jun 09 2013 06:52 PM
    Actually, the SEC West has 4 straight national championships, not 6. Florida... - Mirthomatic Mon Jun 10 2013 05:17 AM
    You are correct 5 out of 6 and 6 of the last 8...that's still dominating by... - Stech Mon Jun 10 2013 06:01 AM
    You're right that it's domination, but it's domination due to one school: Bama.... - Mirthomatic Mon Jun 10 2013 10:46 AM
    You are missing the point. The fact is if SEC East Florida makes the SECCGm... - Maroon Baboon Sun Jun 09 2013 09:50 PM
    Also Alabama 15 National Championships and Florida has 3...not even close on... - Stech Sun Jun 09 2013 01:43 PM
    Since the Cross Over schedules have been set for the duration of both the TV... - hokiebob01 Sun Jun 09 2013 09:26 AM
    Everything is business and sports is negotiable/changeable. I am sure Swofford... - Stech Sun Jun 09 2013 09:58 AM
    It's sad when it take fans to convince the ACC brass to make the correct... - chuckd4vt Sun Jun 09 2013 01:00 PM
    I agree it is horrible, but why did you post that that they should not change... - Stech Sun Jun 09 2013 01:46 PM
    I just wouldn't change it the way you suggested. I liked a couple of others... - chuckd4vt Sun Jun 09 2013 02:36 PM
    Then they shouldn't expect me to attend as many games, and certainly not away... - Buy These! Sun Jun 09 2013 09:49 AM
    Although this is unbalanced, it certainly helps put more quality games on the... - hokiefan86 Sun Jun 09 2013 09:25 AM
    No problem with your concept geographically......its just that based upon... - dna-vt Sat Jun 08 2013 11:22 PM
    For those that wanted to be in the SEC should want the higher competition.... - Stech Sun Jun 09 2013 06:13 AM
    I would swap places with Rutgers. Get to play UMD, PSU, OSU, UM, MSU, and IU... - Colonel Jessup Sun Jun 09 2013 07:41 AM
    The key is great competition and since UVa, Duke, UNC & NCSU want to play each... - Stech Sun Jun 09 2013 09:53 AM
    And this is why the ACC sucks. If those teams all want to play each other, why... - Maroon Baboon Sun Jun 09 2013 10:19 PM
    If we must be in the ACC, I much prefer this to our current dull schedule. You... - MPHOKIE Sat Jun 08 2013 09:21 PM
    I would LOVE this for VT. But I think it unwise on the large scale to have the... - Maroon Baboon Sat Jun 08 2013 05:31 PM
    While more balanced -- and one of the better ones from my point of view. But I... - hokiefan86 Sun Jun 09 2013 08:58 AM
    If so, it just shows you how weak the ACC is...if they can't improve their... - Maroon Baboon Sun Jun 09 2013 09:18 PM
    This makes a ton of sense. I like your analysis. Easy to. Add the Texas and... - hokie4ever Sun Jun 09 2013 07:58 AM
    The SEC West has how many of the *National Championships? The new B1G 10 East... - Stech Sun Jun 09 2013 06:33 AM
    But the SEC East is at least credible with USCe, UF, UGa, UT....The ACC's other... - Maroon Baboon Sun Jun 09 2013 09:15 PM
    This is the best proposal. Thread contains no text - techman Sat Jun 08 2013 10:49 PM
    Maybe I'll polish the writing and send it to Swofford. Thanks Thread contains no text - Maroon Baboon Sun Jun 09 2013 01:22 AM
    HokieCPA I don't know why, but your response is showing up garbled on my... - Stech Sat Jun 08 2013 05:02 PM
    It shows up fine on my end... problem's on your end. :( Thread contains no text - Hokie CPA Sat Jun 08 2013 05:03 PM
    I see the same problem Thread contains no text - Maroon Baboon Sat Jun 08 2013 05:47 PM
    For those unable to view the table format, I had written: South Pod Miami... - Hokie CPA Sun Jun 09 2013 10:17 AM
    This is why in the long run I think we are going to 4 *Divisions of 5 teams in... - Stech Sun Jun 09 2013 11:59 AM
    Well all the other post look fine to me, but again your post is garbled. Thread contains no text - Stech Sat Jun 08 2013 05:25 PM
    [TR] [TD][B]South Pod [/B][/TD] [TD][B]Mid Pod A [/B][/TD] [TD][B]Mid Pod B [/B][/TD] [TD][B]North Pod [/B][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Miami[/TD] [TD]North Carolina[/TD] [TD]Virginia[/TD] [TD]Boston College[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Florida State[/TD] [TD]NC State[/TD] [TD]Virginia Tech[/TD] [TD]Pittsburgh[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Clemson[/TD] [TD]Duke[/TD] [TD]Wake Forest[/TD] [TD]Syracuse[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Georgia Tech[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]Louisville[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] You rotate the two Mid Pods so they play in the same division as the South Pod for two years and then they play in the same division as the North Pod two years. That's 6 conference games within your division each year. The other two conference games (assuming we stay at 8 conference games) would be filled out so that the two Mid Pods crossover on a rotating basis (we would play each team in MPA home and away every 3 years) and the North and South pods would crossover on a rotating basis (Miami would play each North pod team home and away every 4 years). You do away with the permanent crossovers, so the only teams you play every year are in your pod, but you play everybody at a minimum twice (home and away) every four years.[/QUOTE]" class="threadlink" href="showthread.php?p=779906#post779906">Which one? This one? Thread contains no text - Hokie CPA Sat Jun 08 2013 05:38 PM
    Louisville-NC St., GT-BC, Clemson-UNC aren't great rivalries. The two are a... - obguthr Sat Jun 08 2013 03:54 PM
    Crossovers: Florida St.-Miami, Clemson-GT, BC-Syracuse, Louisville-Pitt,... - obguthr Sat Jun 08 2013 05:12 PM
    What are your cross overs? Thread contains no text - Stech Sat Jun 08 2013 04:51 PM
    [TR] [TD][B]East[/B] [/TD] [TD][B]West [/B][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]UVa [/TD] [TD]VT [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Duke [/TD] [TD]Wake [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Miami [/TD] [TD]FSU [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]UNC [/TD] [TD]Clemson [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]BC [/TD] [TD]GT [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Syracuse [/TD] [TD]Pitt [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]NCSU [/TD] [TD]Louisville [/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] Okay go ahead and criticize, but you have to come up with something better and be able to take criticism back. :cool:[/QUOTE] Just because I love the New TSL[SUP]TM [/SUP]Table feature. :o" class="threadlink" href="showthread.php?p=779784#post779784">Just because I love the New TSLTM Table feature. :o Thread contains no text - Hokie CPA Sat Jun 08 2013 12:28 PM
    The table feature does not work correctly in Threaded View. If I look at your... - seekoHoG Mon Jun 10 2013 10:10 AM
    well, that explains why no one responded to my Virgolina suggested division... - BUGGZY Mon Jun 10 2013 10:52 AM
    How 'bout the GT-Clemson rivalry? No matter how the divisions are drawn,... - Old Line Hokie Mon Jun 10 2013 03:43 PM
    Chalk it up to yet another reason to quit using thread view. LOL Thread contains no text - Hokie CPA Mon Jun 10 2013 10:48 AM
    well, since you asked... my issues with this are: 1. imbalance - the East... - BUGGZY Sat Jun 08 2013 11:09 AM
    I'd divide the conference north and south. North = BC, Syra, Pitt, UL, VT, UVA... - Atlee Hokie Sat Jun 08 2013 12:15 PM
    Yea on the chances to make the ACC Championship...yuck on the regular season. ... - Stech Sat Jun 08 2013 12:21 PM
    I'm with you. The Big East never did VT any favors nor did any of the... - GreatSmokieHokie Sat Jun 08 2013 12:43 PM
    In my opinion most of the enjoyable matchups are already in the other division.... - Atlee Hokie Sat Jun 08 2013 10:58 PM
    [TR] [TD]ATLANTIC[/TD] [TD]COASTAL[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]FSU[/TD] [TD]GT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Miami[/TD] [TD]dook[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Clemson[/TD] [TD]NCSU[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]VT[/TD] [TD]L'ville[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]uva[/TD] [TD]UNC[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Pitt[/TD] [TD]Wake[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]BC[/TD] [TD]'cuse[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] or the "build from rivalries" format: [TABLE="class: grid, width: 200, align: center"] [TR] [TD]Virgolina[/TD] [TD]NorSo[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]UNC[/TD] [TD]Pitt[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]uva[/TD] [TD]'Cuse[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]NCSU[/TD] [TD]L'ville[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]dook[/TD] [TD]Miami[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]VT[/TD] [TD]GT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Clemson[/TD] [TD]FSU[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Wake[/TD] [TD]BC[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] With the Virgolina format, you could theoretically eliminate the need for crossovers unless you want to protect FSU v Clemson. by eliminating the crossovers, you could stay at 8 game schedule and we would play everyone in the NorSo division once every 3.5 years and home/home every 6 or 7 (max). ie: [TABLE="class: grid, width: 250, align: center"] [TR] [TD]YEAR 1[/TD] [TD]@FSU[/TD] [TD]'cuse[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]YEAR 2[/TD] [TD]@BC[/TD] [TD]Miami[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]YEAR 3 (@ND)[/TD] [TD]@GT[/TD] [TD]Pitt[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]YEAR 4[/TD] [TD]@L'ville[/TD] [TD]FSU[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]YEAR 5[/TD] [TD]@'cuse[/TD] [TD]BC[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]YEAR 6 (ND)[/TD] [TD]@Miami[/TD] [TD]GT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]YEAR 7[/TD] [TD]@Pitt[/TD] [TD]L'ville[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] and for the NorSo division teams, knowing that the Virgolina region is an important recruiting area, all 7 NorSo teams would play at least 1 game in the Virgolina region every year and host at least 1 team from that region every year. hell, if FSU and Clemson insist on playing one another, tell them ok, as long as they agree to a 9 game schedule, too. then, using the crossovers as listed above, it would only take 6 years to play every one twice: (GT is our annual crossover) [TABLE="class: grid, width: 250, align: center"] [TR] [TD]YEAR 1[/TD] [TD]@FSU[/TD] [TD]'cuse[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]YEAR 2[/TD] [TD]@BC[/TD] [TD]Miami[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]YEAR 3 (@ND)[/TD] [TD]@L'ville[/TD] [TD]Pitt[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]YEAR 4[/TD] [TD]@'cuse[/TD] [TD]FSU[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]YEAR 5[/TD] [TD]@Miami[/TD] [TD]BC[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]YEAR 6 (ND)[/TD] [TD]@Pitt[/TD] [TD]L'ville[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] I just made this up for fun, but not i really like my Virgolina idea. thoughts?" class="threadlink" href="showthread.php?p=780001#post780001">how about the every other state method (with crossover rivals as listed): ... - BUGGZY Sat Jun 08 2013 11:51 PM
    [TR] [TD]ATLANTIC[/TD] [TD]COASTAL[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]FSU[/TD] [TD]GT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Miami[/TD] [TD]dook[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Clemson[/TD] [TD]NCSU[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]VT[/TD] [TD]L'ville[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]uva[/TD] [TD]UNC[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Pitt[/TD] [TD]Wake[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]BC[/TD] [TD]'cuse[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] or the "build from rivalries" format: [TABLE="class: grid, width: 200, align: center"] [TR] [TD]Virgolina[/TD] [TD]NorSo[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]UNC[/TD] [TD]Pitt[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]uva[/TD] [TD]'Cuse[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]NCSU[/TD] [TD]L'ville[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]dook[/TD] [TD]Miami[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]VT[/TD] [TD]GT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Clemson[/TD] [TD]FSU[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Wake[/TD] [TD]BC[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] With the Virgolina format, you could theoretically eliminate the need for crossovers unless you want to protect FSU v Clemson. by eliminating the crossovers, you could stay at 8 game schedule and we would play everyone in the NorSo division once every 3.5 years and home/home every 6 or 7 (max). ie: [TABLE="class: grid, width: 250, align: center"] [TR] [TD]YEAR 1[/TD] [TD]@FSU[/TD] [TD]'cuse[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]YEAR 2[/TD] [TD]@BC[/TD] [TD]Miami[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]YEAR 3 (@ND)[/TD] [TD]@GT[/TD] [TD]Pitt[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]YEAR 4[/TD] [TD]@L'ville[/TD] [TD]FSU[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]YEAR 5[/TD] [TD]@'cuse[/TD] [TD]BC[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]YEAR 6 (ND)[/TD] [TD]@Miami[/TD] [TD]GT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]YEAR 7[/TD] [TD]@Pitt[/TD] [TD]L'ville[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] and for the NorSo division teams, knowing that the Virgolina region is an important recruiting area, all 7 NorSo teams would play at least 1 game in the Virgolina region every year and host at least 1 team from that region every year. hell, if FSU and Clemson insist on playing one another, tell them ok, as long as they agree to a 9 game schedule, too. then, using the crossovers as listed above, it would only take 6 years to play every one twice: (GT is our annual crossover) [TABLE="class: grid, width: 250, align: center"] [TR] [TD]YEAR 1[/TD] [TD]@FSU[/TD] [TD]'cuse[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]YEAR 2[/TD] [TD]@BC[/TD] [TD]Miami[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]YEAR 3 (@ND)[/TD] [TD]@L'ville[/TD] [TD]Pitt[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]YEAR 4[/TD] [TD]@'cuse[/TD] [TD]FSU[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]YEAR 5[/TD] [TD]@Miami[/TD] [TD]BC[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]YEAR 6 (ND)[/TD] [TD]@Pitt[/TD] [TD]L'ville[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] I just made this up for fun, but not i really like my Virgolina idea. thoughts?[/QUOTE] Overall, either idea could work, but I do wonder if there would be any negative from a marketing standpoint. When conferences go with geographical basis for their divisions, they generally prefer clean divisions (east-west or north-south) or as clean as possible (in the Big Ten's case). I suspect the SEC's divisional alignment is only temporary until it decides who #15 and #16 members are so Missouri could shift to West Division with Alabama and Auburn possibly shifting to the East Division, so people are willing to live with the SEC's temporary funkiness. If the ACC were to adopt either suggestion, then is there a possibility that from a national standpoint it could be received as "warmly" as the Big Ten's Leaders and Legends divisional alignment? If so, then can the ACC afford to take another negative hit on its image?" class="threadlink" href="showthread.php?p=781751#post781751">Overall, either idea could work, but I do wonder if there would be any negative... - VTHokie2000 Tue Jun 11 2013 04:15 PM
    [TR] [TD]NORTH[/TD] [TD]SOUTH[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]BC[/TD] [TD]Miami[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]'Cuse[/TD] [TD]NCSU[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Pitt[/TD] [TD]GT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][I][B]uva[/B][/I][/TD] [TD][I][B]UNC[/B][/I][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]VT[/TD] [TD]Clemson[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]L'ville[/TD] [TD]FSU[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][B][I]Wake[/I][/B][/TD] [TD][B][I]Dook[/I][/B][/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] I have highlighted the 2 rivalries i'm willing to maintain as annual crossovers. everyone else plays 3 rotating crossover games each year." class="threadlink" href="showthread.php?p=781795#post781795">honestly, i'm fine with a N/S split as long as we also go to 9 games and have... - BUGGZY Tue Jun 11 2013 04:48 PM
    [TR] [TD]NORTH[/TD] [TD]SOUTH[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]BC[/TD] [TD]Miami[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]'Cuse[/TD] [TD]NCSU[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Pitt[/TD] [TD]GT[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][I][B]uva[/B][/I][/TD] [TD][I][B]UNC[/B][/I][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]VT[/TD] [TD]Clemson[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]L'ville[/TD] [TD]FSU[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][B][I]Wake[/I][/B][/TD] [TD][B][I]Dook[/I][/B][/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] I have highlighted the 2 rivalries i'm willing to maintain as annual crossovers. everyone else plays 3 rotating crossover games each year.[/QUOTE] I would have no problem with a north-south split either. I suspect if Wake had to go to the North Division, then it would want at least 2 protected cross-division games (i.e. Duke and NC State). Maybe even 3 if you include UNC too. This is the reason I have been saying that the 4 NC schools would either all need to be in the same division or split evenly because the 1 NC school (i.e. Wake in this case) would be too much on an island from the other in-state schools. It would be like VT having to decide whether it protects its cross-divisional game with UVA, Miami, or potentially even Louisville (assuming all 3 schools are in the opposite division from VT). The problem the Big Ten will run into with having only 1 protected cross-divisional game is it will create a quirk with the future cross-divisional rotation schedule. Depending on the number of protected games will mean 1 team will have its rotation "bumped" out at least 1 year because of the "protected" team. For example, if it was VT's turn in the rotation to play UNC, then the game could be delayed 1 year because UVA has to play UNC every year. 1 year isn't so much a big deal until you see the ripple effect that it creates with the future schedule. The following year when VT and UVA plays UNC, then 2 teams will get "bumped" from their normal rotation. The ripple will get to the point where some schools are playing schools in the rotation pool multiple times before having an opportunity to play a "protected" school. Also, it could lead to scheduling issues (i.e. a team is tentatively scheduled to play the same team twice in a season) which will only lead to more "bumps" with the teams from the rotation pool. I suspect the only reason the Big Ten agreed to this format is because it knew this would be only temporary until it found 2 more schools so Indiana and Purdue could end up in the same division (most likely West Division given the rivalries between the Illinois and Indiana schools)." class="threadlink" href="showthread.php?p=781839#post781839">I would have no problem with a north-south split either. I suspect if Wake had... - VTHokie2000 Tue Jun 11 2013 05:39 PM
    honestly, i don't think any sort of "fixed" rotation is needed (in response to... - BUGGZY Tue Jun 11 2013 05:58 PM
    I really dislike the permanent crossover opponent. Since the ACC doesn't care... - Atlee Hokie Tue Jun 11 2013 11:39 PM
    But see that is just it, with the "rigidness" of having only a select "fixed"... - VTHokie2000 Tue Jun 11 2013 07:31 PM
    [TR] [TD][B]South Pod [/B][/TD] [TD][B]Mid Pod A [/B][/TD] [TD][B]Mid Pod B [/B][/TD] [TD][B]North Pod [/B][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Miami[/TD] [TD]North Carolina[/TD] [TD]Virginia[/TD] [TD]Boston College[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Florida State[/TD] [TD]NC State[/TD] [TD]Virginia Tech[/TD] [TD]Pittsburgh[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Clemson[/TD] [TD]Duke[/TD] [TD]Wake Forest[/TD] [TD]Syracuse[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Georgia Tech[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]Louisville[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] You rotate the two Mid Pods so they play in the same division as the South Pod for two years and then they play in the same division as the North Pod two years. That's 6 conference games within your division each year. The other two conference games (assuming we stay at 8 conference games) would be filled out so that the two Mid Pods crossover on a rotating basis (we would play each team in MPA home and away every 3 years) and the North and South pods would crossover on a rotating basis (Miami would play each North pod team home and away every 4 years). You do away with the permanent crossovers, so the only teams you play every year are in your pod, but you play everybody at a minimum twice (home and away) every four years." class="threadlink" href="showthread.php?p=779790#post779790">How about this? <tbody> South Pod Mid Pod A Mid Pod B - Hokie CPA Sat Jun 08 2013 12:56 PM
    [TR] [TD][B]South Pod [/B][/TD] [TD][B]Mid Pod A [/B][/TD] [TD][B]Mid Pod B [/B][/TD] [TD][B]North Pod [/B][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Miami[/TD] [TD]North Carolina[/TD] [TD]Virginia[/TD] [TD]Boston College[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Florida State[/TD] [TD]NC State[/TD] [TD]Virginia Tech[/TD] [TD]Pittsburgh[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Clemson[/TD] [TD]Duke[/TD] [TD]Wake Forest[/TD] [TD]Syracuse[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Georgia Tech[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]Louisville[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] You rotate the two Mid Pods so they play in the same division as the South Pod for two years and then they play in the same division as the North Pod two years. That's 6 conference games within your division each year. The other two conference games (assuming we stay at 8 conference games) would be filled out so that the two Mid Pods crossover on a rotating basis (we would play each team in MPA home and away every 3 years) and the North and South pods would crossover on a rotating basis (Miami would play each North pod team home and away every 4 years). You do away with the permanent crossovers, so the only teams you play every year are in your pod, but you play everybody at a minimum twice (home and away) every four years.[/QUOTE] i like the concept, but i get frustrated when people downplay (or ignore) the importance of rivalries in college football. uva-unc is the oldest rivalry in the south. sure, it's not important nationally, but regional rivalries are what make college football great. you have to find a way to preserve all of these games on an annual basis. you can salvage this within your format by using the 2 non-division games as flex games rather than any fixed rotation or format. in years rivals aren't in the same division, you just use one or both of the flex games to address it. for unc-uva and dook-wake in your example, they would always have to use one of the flex games. nc state and clemson would have to use a flex game 2 out of every 4 years. any unused flex games can be used to either play made for TV matchups in the league or match up teams who have gone more than 2 years without playing." class="threadlink" href="showthread.php?p=779800#post779800">i like the concept, but i get frustrated when people downplay (or ignore) the... - BUGGZY Sat Jun 08 2013 01:07 PM
    [TR] [TD][B]Year 1 [/B][/TD] [TD][B]Year 2 [/B][/TD] [TD][B]Year 3 [/B][/TD] [TD][B]Year 4 [/B][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]vs Virginia[/TD] [TD]at Virginia[/TD] [TD]vs Virginia[/TD] [TD]at Virginia[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]at Wake Forest[/TD] [TD]vs Wake Forest[/TD] [TD]at Wake Forest[/TD] [TD]vs Wake Forest[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]vs Miami[/TD] [TD]at Miami[/TD] [TD]vs Boston Coll.[/TD] [TD]at Boston Coll.[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]at Florida State[/TD] [TD]vs Florida State[/TD] [TD]at Pittsburgh[/TD] [TD]vs Pittsburgh[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]vs Clemson[/TD] [TD]at Clemson[/TD] [TD]vs Syracuse[/TD] [TD]at Syracuse[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]at Georgia Tech[/TD] [TD]vs Georgia Tech[/TD] [TD]at Louisville[/TD] [TD]vs Louisville[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]vs North Carolina[/TD] [TD]at Duke[/TD] [TD]vs Duke[/TD] [TD]at NC State[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]at NC State[/TD] [TD]vs NC State[/TD] [TD]at North Carolina[/TD] [TD]vs North Carolina[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] What we have now is atrocious in that some games won't get played at all in a given decade. We may as well not even call ourselves conference-mates with Florida State or Clemson as infrequently as we'll see them." class="threadlink" href="showthread.php?p=779801#post779801">I'm not downplaying it at all. They would still play each other twice every... - Hokie CPA Sat Jun 08 2013 01:11 PM
    I could live with that version, but I like mine a lttile better. The SEC West... - Stech Sat Jun 08 2013 11:23 AM
    Interesting information re: ESPN and carriage fees... - Freddyburg Hokie Fri Jun 07 2013 10:21 AM
    It's hard for me to imagine ESPN ever being able to successfully go to a... - 133304Hokie Sat Jun 08 2013 12:34 AM
    I do know my days of watching sports on TV would be over. They may be over... - Atlee Hokie Sat Jun 08 2013 12:02 PM
    College football, for 6 months out of the year...then drop it like a hot potato. Thread contains no text - Edgeman Sat Jun 08 2013 07:22 AM
    They'd probably have some kind of tiered pricing structure to discourage this... - 133304Hokie Sat Jun 08 2013 02:48 PM
    More than a few people would do that. Thread contains no text - Atlee Hokie Sat Jun 08 2013 12:00 PM
    Eventually ratings will mater again. That's why if the ACC can get their... - Stech Fri Jun 07 2013 07:44 PM
    Could that potentially mean commercial-free games? - J-Dub Fri Jun 07 2013 10:56 AM
    i'm pretty sure people said the same thing in the 70's and 80's RE:... - BUGGZY Fri Jun 07 2013 12:25 PM
    To boot, sports / live TV ads bring in more revenue than prerecorded content. Thread contains no text - cburgroop Fri Jun 07 2013 12:30 PM
    If this happens, it wouldn't surprise me to see it start as "Limited... - Late 80s Hokie Fri Jun 07 2013 12:08 PM
    I think the movement to a pay to watch model is behind much of the expansion. ... - ColumbusHokie Fri Jun 07 2013 10:38 AM
    Jim Delaney is puzzled by the lack of enthusiasm for the Big Ten at Rutgers Thread contains a url - HOO86 Thu Jun 06 2013 07:20 PM
    The day it was first announced, I stated that the Big Ten would ultimately rue... Thread contains a url - Hokiestud Sun Jun 16 2013 11:06 AM
    "The BIG" should be The BIG STUPID" for expanding into the union plagued... - TucsonGobbler Sat Jun 08 2013 02:38 PM
    It's the wealthiest state in the US, something's working well there. Thread contains no text - chuckd4vt Sat Jun 08 2013 04:07 PM
    If you're going by gross family income per capita, not only is MD #1... - Calamitous Sun Jun 09 2013 05:28 PM
    Southern Virginians think the South ends once you cross north of Fredericksburg... - Old Line Hokie Sat Jun 08 2013 02:47 PM
    Well, if being "southern" is somehow significant, most southerners think the... - crabcake77 Mon Jun 10 2013 07:09 PM
    I think Bama fans think the south ends at their northern border...lol Thread contains no text - Edgeman Tue Jun 11 2013 06:29 AM
    Northern Virginians will tell you the North ends once you cross south of the... - SuwaneeHokie820 Mon Jun 10 2013 11:06 AM
    The thing with Northern Virginia is it continues to expand southward. Maybe in... - Old Line Hokie Mon Jun 10 2013 03:53 PM
    Are you saying that's not true? Thread contains no text - Byting Gobbler Sun Jun 09 2013 11:35 PM
    No. I don't consider Fairfax, Arlington, Loudon, and Prince William counties... - Old Line Hokie Mon Jun 10 2013 03:48 PM
    Apparently the Commonwealth does to. Notice were the Virginia Welcome Center... - Atlee Hokie Sat Jun 08 2013 10:41 PM
    That was pre-2010... - Calamitous Sat Jun 08 2013 06:06 PM
    I lived in Hooville until I was 13 and then moved to the NRV. The line runs... - obguthr Sat Jun 08 2013 04:06 PM
    Thanks for the info. Having lived in Northern NJ during Tech's early years in... Thread contains a url - techcutter Fri Jun 07 2013 10:27 AM
    That's kind of why I found it a little humorous that someone like Jim Delaney... - HOO86 Fri Jun 07 2013 08:42 PM
    Well, they bragged about playing the baseball tourney in Fenway and quickly... - chuckd4vt Sat Jun 08 2013 05:04 AM
    The Fenway Park thing was a back out by the ACC. It was scheduled, and the ACC... - HOO86 Sat Jun 08 2013 10:33 AM
    The ACC granted them to one place, espn, with the proviso that any unwanted... - Atlee Hokie Sat Jun 08 2013 12:29 PM
    The SEC's were in about 4 different places, and they cost the SEC about $15... Thread contains a url - HOO86 Sat Jun 08 2013 01:24 PM
    Well I'm sure the ACC's purchasing of Raycom will work out well for the... Thread contains a url - chuckd4vt Sat Jun 08 2013 04:09 PM
    BC was huge in bringing Miami & ND to the ACC. That is money in the pocket for... - Stech Sat Jun 08 2013 10:24 AM
    I do not believe Fredo had anything to do with bringing ND to the ACC for all... - Atlee Hokie Sat Jun 08 2013 12:27 PM
    ND has had a huge say in ACC Expansion and their administration likes BC. You... - Stech Tue Jun 11 2013 07:38 AM
    Then BC AD Gene DeFilippo said ESPN had say in the ACC's expansion decisions... - Old Line Hokie Sat Jun 08 2013 02:15 PM
    I think Miami, VT, Rutgers was the way to go. GEOGRAPHY is pretty important. ... - chuckd4vt Sat Jun 08 2013 04:19 PM
    Miami, VT, and Penn St. would have been even better... just sayin' Thread contains no text - obguthr Sat Jun 08 2013 05:23 PM
    Thousands and thousands of NJ high school kids leave the state for college... - BUGGZY Fri Jun 07 2013 11:00 AM
    Big market, low enthusiasm. Kinda like BC. Shoulda went after FSU or VT Thread contains no text - Maroon Baboon Thu Jun 06 2013 11:18 PM
    College Football in the South vs. North ... Thread contains a url - VaAkita Mon Jun 10 2013 04:14 PM
    Yep, these conference leaders fail to realize the importance of "fans." Actual... - chuckd4vt Fri Jun 07 2013 03:12 AM
    They just care about the number of subscribers they get out of a certain market... - SuwaneeHokie820 Fri Jun 07 2013 03:29 PM
    There is a certain amount of hubris in all of these major conference... - Atlee Hokie Fri Jun 07 2013 07:02 AM
    I don't feel much excitement here in Maryland for the Terps move to the Big 10.... Thread contains a url - Old Line Hokie Thu Jun 06 2013 09:57 PM
    That excitement will come in the near future after they start playing in the... - reestuart Fri Jun 07 2013 09:57 AM
    They have struggled in the ACC in football, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan... - Stech Fri Jun 07 2013 07:27 PM
    There's not much excitement for Maryland sports in the ACC either. I don't... - Old Line Hokie Fri Jun 07 2013 03:09 PM
    Interesting perspective. Maryland fans will support their team when they are... Thread contains a url - HOO86 Fri Jun 07 2013 10:15 PM
    As for Penn State, Joe Paterno's stubbornness and pride hurt him just as much... Thread contains a url - Old Line Hokie Fri Jun 07 2013 11:05 PM
    That's interesting about Paterno. I always thought he played UVA because of... - HOO86 Sat Jun 08 2013 10:47 AM
    Paterno could be a big baby at times and he sure didn't believe in political... - Old Line Hokie Sat Jun 08 2013 02:07 PM
    Doubt he screamed half as much as when Kevin Jones decided to sign with... - Edgeman Sat Jun 08 2013 12:06 PM
    Correct. it will take a couple of years. Thread contains no text - Femoyer Hokie Fri Jun 07 2013 10:06 AM
    Yep. MD is going to be in a division with Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio... - reestuart Fri Jun 07 2013 11:31 AM
    They will have great home schedules... but will they be able to compete with... - gman86 Fri Jun 07 2013 12:10 PM
    Bball, maybe, but they've got 4 top 10 programs in their division. They don't... - reestuart Fri Jun 07 2013 12:15 PM
    Louisville is thrilled, but for them it's much more than just athletics. Just... - 133304Hokie Thu Jun 06 2013 11:09 PM
    No doubt for anyone coming to the ACC. The ACC has 9 schools in the top 40... - HOO86 Fri Jun 07 2013 01:14 AM
    Maybe he should come to this board and he will fell better about it. (TIC) I... Thread contains a url - Stech Thu Jun 06 2013 09:49 PM
    in a bubble...what i want... - BUGGZY Thu Jun 06 2013 05:44 PM
    In a bubble, I want 9 team conferences. VT's conference below. VT Penn... - Colonel Jessup Fri Jun 07 2013 10:51 AM
    How 'bout a true Southeastern Conference with: Virginia Virginia Tech North... - Old Line Hokie Fri Jun 07 2013 03:39 PM
    If we want that, then we'd have to put a championship ring on it... Thread contains no text - Freddyburg Hokie Fri Jun 07 2013 10:45 AM
    What I want is a foursome with Kate Upton, Christina Hendricks, and Emilia... - Freddyburg Hokie Fri Jun 07 2013 10:31 AM
    i'm pretty sure i'm actually asking for less than you, but it is close... Thread contains no text - BUGGZY Fri Jun 07 2013 10:38 AM
    Throw in Beyonce and that would make a great pod. Thread contains no text - Culpeper Hokie Fri Jun 07 2013 10:37 AM
    Here's mine Burrito Pod: Texas, TTU, Baylor, OK State, Oklahoma... - lawhokie Thu Jun 06 2013 09:45 PM
    It seems like everyone on TSL, including myself, has their ACC "wishlist." ... - Old Line Hokie Thu Jun 06 2013 08:32 PM
    LOL, well, what i started and chuck fixed by adding Miami basically give you... - BUGGZY Thu Jun 06 2013 09:05 PM
    I could see your idea only move Miami to our division and add two more Big12... - chuckd4vt Thu Jun 06 2013 07:55 PM
    Actually, what would work is have a 10 team league from Virginia to Florida. ... - chuckd4vt Thu Jun 06 2013 08:01 PM
    Swap Louisville for Wake and you've got a great conference. 9 game football... - lawhokie Thu Jun 06 2013 09:26 PM
    Has anyone looked at the American Athletic Conference website? Thread contains a url - 133304Hokie Thu Jun 06 2013 01:45 AM
    Reads like aspirational stretch goal on an annual work performance review. Thread contains no text Thread contains a url - DarylS Fri Jun 07 2013 02:39 PM
    "Strong & United" would have been enough. Thread contains no text Thread contains a url - IAHokie Fri Jun 07 2013 12:55 PM
    Maybe they should have used footnotes... Footnote for STABLE: "After 2014... - gman86 Fri Jun 07 2013 02:04 PM
    That's about as funny as "Leaders" and "Legends". And they are 0 for 4 on the... - Hokie 1986 Fri Jun 07 2013 10:58 AM
    Weren't those B1G titles retired? Thread contains no text - laphroaig Fri Jun 07 2013 11:02 AM
    I still think their name should be American Athletic Association so that they... Thread contains a url - HokieDevil Thu Jun 06 2013 11:09 AM
    that's funny! the initials of their motto spell SSUC. Interesting way to... Thread contains a url - laphroaig Thu Jun 06 2013 07:57 AM
    I looked... something about curiosity and train wrecks... But, honestly,... - gman86 Thu Jun 06 2013 09:36 AM
    You're right but you're also not much fun. Thread contains no text - laphroaig Thu Jun 06 2013 12:18 PM
    Yeah, my wife says that all the time. Should I be concerned? :) Thread contains no text - gman86 Fri Jun 07 2013 02:02 PM
    Did we not have some of the best games over the last 20 years against BC? Or... - Stech Wed Jun 05 2013 07:54 PM
    100% correct and as terrible a home opponent, they are even worse on the road. ... - Mr. Touchdown Sat Jun 08 2013 10:39 AM
    99- Wasn't close but it capped the undefeated regular season 07- Matt Ryan's... - corvt2000 Fri Jun 07 2013 02:17 PM
    Yes we have had some good games with BC in the past. However, we have nothing... - hokie4ever Thu Jun 06 2013 11:22 AM
    Can we just stop with the BC nonsense? BC is a terrible home opponent. I have... - lawhokie Thu Jun 06 2013 09:19 AM
    2007 was a pretty good game. Well... until the last two minutes anyways. ... - SuwaneeHokie820 Fri Jun 07 2013 03:39 PM
    Maybe to you it is nonsense, but hopefully you are not so close minded that you... - Stech Thu Jun 06 2013 09:56 PM
    Just calling a spade a spade. You are clearly a proponent of the ACC, and so... - lawhokie Fri Jun 07 2013 08:32 AM
    I was fine if we had ended up in the SEC or B1G, but that is unrealistic now... - Stech Fri Jun 07 2013 07:22 PM
    Sure we're in the ACC to stay. Doesn't mean that it has to be the lesser... - hokiefan86 Fri Jun 07 2013 07:37 PM
    Honestly I think the divsions and schedule need some work, but I think that is... - Stech Sat Jun 08 2013 10:28 AM
    IMHO, the best games that Tech has played since joining the ACC have been... - Old Line Hokie Thu Jun 06 2013 04:45 PM
    maybe we should try to make the BC game at Lane a Thursday night game every... - BUGGZY Thu Jun 06 2013 10:00 AM
    I assume that was TIC. Unless or until Matt Ryan's reincarnation takes over at... - hokiebob01 Thu Jun 06 2013 11:18 AM
    have you seen ESPN's Thursday night game schedule? VT v BC at Lane fits right... - BUGGZY Thu Jun 06 2013 11:25 AM
    Good point. Looks to me like the ACC gives away too many compelling games to... - gman86 Thu Jun 06 2013 02:25 PM
    The ACC/ESPN has to schedule "big" ACC games on Thursday nights. That's what... - MPHOKIE Thu Jun 06 2013 04:06 PM
    Interesting. Thread contains no text - crabcake77 Thu Jun 06 2013 10:16 AM
    To be sure, there have been some good games against BC - particularly in the... - gman86 Thu Jun 06 2013 09:55 AM
    Agreed. Trying to play up BC comes across like claiming the emporer has... - crabcake77 Thu Jun 06 2013 09:49 AM
    I'm not playing up anything. I'd rather play BC than Duke, Wake Or Syracuse... - Hoakie82 Thu Jun 06 2013 07:59 PM
    While I'm all for playing all the ACC's schools more often, I don't mind... - Hoakie82 Wed Jun 05 2013 09:32 PM
    And the ACC had a chance to fix that this year, but choose to adjust both... - Freighttrain Thu Jun 06 2013 06:49 AM
    Here's Tech's Big East and ACC History with Boston College: BIG EAST... - Old Line Hokie Wed Jun 05 2013 09:09 PM
    I remember playing them in the ACC Champ game twice, beating them to go to the... - Stech Wed Jun 05 2013 09:48 PM
    I remember some of the loses. The 22-3 game in Chestnut Hill where our offense... - Old Line Hokie Wed Jun 05 2013 10:07 PM
    LOL I started to write about the 22-3 loss, but some how I got writers block. ... - Stech Thu Jun 06 2013 06:32 AM
    Get rid of conferences, go to one 32 team National Collegiate Football League Thread contains a url - PadrosWindup Tue Jun 04 2013 11:32 PM
    Heck, why not cut it down even further? USC ND Texas Oklahoma Alabama... - Maroon Baboon Wed Jun 05 2013 02:24 PM
    Wow! Spurrier gonna be pissed. Thread contains no text - GreatSmokieHokie Wed Jun 05 2013 05:18 PM
    You're right. They don't. Thread contains no text - PadrosWindup Wed Jun 05 2013 02:30 PM
    Won't ever happen because those "filler teams" won't allow it to. Maybe 64 or... Thread contains a url - Old Line Hokie Wed Jun 05 2013 12:29 PM
    That's the point - no more ACC, B1G, SEC, PAC##, Big XII. Just one conference... - PadrosWindup Wed Jun 05 2013 12:36 PM
    Isn't that what the NFL is for? Turning college football into the NFL minor... - 133304Hokie Wed Jun 05 2013 01:21 PM
    Does BC or Wake or Iowa State or Washington State or Kansas provide "tradition... - PadrosWindup Wed Jun 05 2013 01:53 PM
    How many years has UNC played UVA? How many years has Texas played Baylor?... - 133304Hokie Wed Jun 05 2013 03:35 PM
    Yes, BC and Wake do for me...maybe not Kansas Thread contains no text - Buy These! Wed Jun 05 2013 01:54 PM
    UNC and NC State were a coin flip. Mandel has State rated as a stronger... - PadrosWindup Wed Jun 05 2013 06:42 AM
    State probably does have the stronger program, but UNC wouldn't be left out of... - 133304Hokie Wed Jun 05 2013 12:34 PM
    Brilliant. Only problem is that UNC would be more likely to make it into the... Thread contains a url - 133304Hokie Wed Jun 05 2013 03:09 AM
    Looks like the Pro ACCers got what they wanted. Terrible schedules and cheap... - Beez Tue Jun 04 2013 11:20 PM
    NC State or Louisville make the most sense... - Calamitous Thu Jun 06 2013 07:34 PM
    Its looking like just as you get nothing from buying bowl tickets through the... - FF Hokie Thu Jun 06 2013 12:23 PM
    If it is big time football, why don't teams play big time schedules. It is... - cto1014 Wed Jun 05 2013 09:50 PM
    As opposed to the SEC Want-To-Bes without an invitation. If we had waited on... - Edgeman Wed Jun 05 2013 09:40 PM
    How many times in the last 10 years have the schedules changed? You can expect... - Stech Wed Jun 05 2013 07:50 PM
    And the big OOC games are often cancelled or pushed back. Thread contains no text - Femoyer Hokie Wed Jun 05 2013 08:01 PM
    The old way was heavily based on going undefeated. The new way will have more... - Stech Wed Jun 05 2013 08:15 PM
    I guess we will see if what you say turns out to be true or if the committee... - VTHokie2000 Thu Jun 06 2013 04:56 PM
    You are completely misrepresenting my point of view. First of all SOS will... - Stech Thu Jun 06 2013 09:19 PM
    It was a joke, so I doubt anyone took my response seriously. I understand your... - VTHokie2000 Thu Jun 06 2013 10:14 PM
    Do you work in sales? ;) Thread contains no text - BUGGZY Thu Jun 06 2013 05:04 PM
    If you only care about football, your statement may be true but conference... - Old Line Hokie Wed Jun 05 2013 12:18 PM
    So the reason for this sucky format is because we have only 14 teams to... - laphroaig Wed Jun 05 2013 11:01 PM
    With 4 pods of 4 teams, Tech will be able to play FSU, Clemson, Louisville, NC... - Old Line Hokie Thu Jun 06 2013 12:13 PM
    I swear some of you guys must write tax codes for the IRS or had a hand in... - laphroaig Thu Jun 06 2013 02:08 PM
    The pods are actually very simple to understand. The simplest thing to do is... - Old Line Hokie Thu Jun 06 2013 05:20 PM
    It is if the ACC is willing go to a 10-game schedule. The beauty is the ACC... - VTHokie2000 Thu Jun 06 2013 04:47 PM
    AMEN! It sucks not seeing FSU & Clemson on a more regular basis in the regular... - TwoTechs Fri Jun 07 2013 04:00 AM
    Your last sentence - if you mean 1 home and 1 away with every team in the... - laphroaig Thu Jun 06 2013 10:51 PM
    Yes, I mean within a 4 year period VT will play everyone in the conference home... - VTHokie2000 Fri Jun 07 2013 11:22 AM
    My solution would be to swap GT for Louisville in the Coastal. Then rearrange... - I85Hokie Wed Jun 05 2013 10:11 AM
    LOL, the ACC would never give us Louisville, Miami, & Clemson every year. They... - Edgeman Wed Jun 05 2013 10:21 AM
    If you like cities, Boston is a good away game. I hate cities. Hate everything... - hokiehunter07 Wed Jun 05 2013 09:29 AM
    But will you Go to VT's MNC game in New Orleans in a couple of years.? ;) Thread contains no text - nubinile Wed Jun 05 2013 10:20 AM
    Just because someone sees potential in the ACC doesn't mean they want to play... - crabcake77 Wed Jun 05 2013 09:07 AM
    The cost of playing the same team from the other division all the time is you... - laphroaig Wed Jun 05 2013 09:33 AM
    SEC has the same problem. they also have a 6-1-1 schedule format. Georgia and... - BUGGZY Wed Jun 05 2013 10:22 AM
    The SEC could solve its problems by only keeping some cross-divisional... - I85Hokie Wed Jun 05 2013 02:44 PM
    "it would be a slightly better conference schedule over time" Are you kidding... - MPHOKIE Wed Jun 05 2013 10:48 AM
    GT, Clemson and FSU all won National Titles in the ACC. Miami has won them... - BUGGZY Wed Jun 05 2013 10:59 AM
    I agree with your overall sentiment here (i.e. the ACC schedule has the... - Gobbler-100 Wed Jun 05 2013 11:49 AM
    In all of College football, "desirable" opponents are few and far between. ... Thread contains a url - PadrosWindup Wed Jun 05 2013 11:10 AM
    I agree with you that having a permenant cross-division opponent in an 8 game... - VTHokie2000 Wed Jun 05 2013 09:45 AM
    I've got no real problem with how the conference is divided up (other than my... - laphroaig Wed Jun 05 2013 10:46 PM
    Ah I understand. Well 1 reason for a conference does it is because it gives... - VTHokie2000 Thu Jun 06 2013 01:10 AM
    Why? It's a great trip to a great city and BC has been pretty good more often... - ScottsdaleHokie Wed Jun 05 2013 12:48 AM
    BC is on a five year downward slide and I doubt they'll ever amount to much... - lawhokie Wed Jun 05 2013 08:26 AM
    I doubt it. BC will have its good and bad periods like most average football... - Old Line Hokie Wed Jun 05 2013 12:19 PM
    At least NCSU and UVa are regional rivals and local kids go to all three... - hokie4ever Thu Jun 06 2013 02:40 PM
    What happens if for some miracle BC becomes very good in football like Miami... - Old Line Hokie Thu Jun 06 2013 05:27 PM
    How can you say it is not an exciting game when it already had been? The Ryan... - ScottsdaleHokie Wed Jun 05 2013 10:12 AM
    BC is not an exciting opponent because Matt Ryan played one great game in Lane... - lawhokie Wed Jun 05 2013 08:22 PM
    I would love to switch cross over partners with UVa. Tech and Louisville have... - Old Line Hokie Wed Jun 05 2013 09:35 PM
    How long before we see our first sub-50,000 crowd? I say withing the next 2... - MPHOKIE Wed Jun 05 2013 08:58 AM
    ACC football hasn't been exciting since the late 80s/early 90s when Clemson was... - Calamitous Thu Jun 06 2013 08:00 PM
    thanks for the laugh Thread contains no text - Hokie'79 Wed Jun 05 2013 12:40 PM
    About as long as it takes after VT joins the SEC and gets smacked around at... - nubinile Wed Jun 05 2013 09:09 AM
    The main attendance value of the SEC comes with its travelling fanbases. Home... - PadrosWindup Wed Jun 05 2013 09:20 AM
    I just wish they had fans. Thread contains no text - chuckd4vt Wed Jun 05 2013 01:33 AM
    ESPN Radio reporting that Gee is retiring in July. - GreatSmokieHokie Tue Jun 04 2013 04:03 PM
    :eek: Thread contains no text - Freddyburg Hokie Fri Jun 07 2013 10:39 AM
    He's only retiring from his university post. - lawhokie Tue Jun 04 2013 10:26 PM
    Tactical move on his part to escape his OSU contract and position himself for... - BayHokie Tue Jun 04 2013 06:12 PM
    Dude of WV stated he got information from Gee's camp. I don't think Gee was a... - Colonel Jessup Tue Jun 04 2013 04:42 PM
    Of course they were. Just like the ACC was trying to "crush" the BigEast to... - 133193Hokie Tue Jun 04 2013 08:55 PM
    I think it's more related to his comments about ND, "the Catholics", and the... - GreatSmokieHokie Tue Jun 04 2013 04:44 PM
    Yeah, I was just touching conference realignment stuff Gee said since this is,... - Colonel Jessup Tue Jun 04 2013 04:58 PM
    "...wouldn't make sense maybe for Penn State to be in our league (B1G),"... Thread contains a url - Stech Mon Jun 03 2013 06:58 PM
    Delany is just that arrogant (along with the other B1G toadies).... Thread contains a url - Calamitous Wed Jun 05 2013 06:10 PM
    This tells me the ACC miscalculated...again. We were about two years... Thread contains a url - lawhokie Tue Jun 04 2013 09:08 AM
    You could also say the same thing aobut the B1G not getting Syracuse and Pitt. ... - Stech Tue Jun 04 2013 08:34 PM
    Fear is a powerful motivator..... - NW Raleigh Hokie Wed Jun 05 2013 12:43 PM
    We should have taken Pitt or Rutgers instead of BC, obviously. Thread contains no text - chuckd4vt Tue Jun 04 2013 05:48 PM
    We have BC because Miami wanted them to get Mass students to go there & to help... - Stech Tue Jun 04 2013 08:42 PM
    I don't think it was Mass so much as it was just the northeast. Most of Miami's... - Femoyer Hokie Wed Jun 05 2013 08:22 AM
    I can about guarantee you NJ has far more students at ACC schools than Mass. ... - chuckd4vt Tue Jun 04 2013 11:36 PM
    I've always felt Rutsger could be a huge force, since it's the primary state... - Edgeman Wed Jun 05 2013 10:18 AM
    If that is true, Virginia Tech lost out when Maryland left and Rutgers joined... - Old Line Hokie Tue Jun 04 2013 09:20 PM
    Duke, UVA, UNC, and Miami have a ton of Jersey kids too. Thread contains no text - chuckd4vt Tue Jun 04 2013 11:38 PM
    The ACC should have thought big a decade ago. Should have taken most or all of... - Maroon Baboon Tue Jun 04 2013 12:29 PM
    I think they were considering FSU to bring along GT, UVA, UNC. I think it... - chuckd4vt Tue Jun 04 2013 05:51 PM
    I understand that the number of TV sets in an area and the amount of revenue... Thread contains a url - VTHokie2000 Mon Jun 03 2013 09:19 PM
    I don't see PSU, UMd, or RU leaving the B1G, but I could see some Big 12-2... - Stech Mon Jun 03 2013 10:20 PM
    What about the travel - would any Big12 team joining he ACC have the same issue... - 133193Hokie Tue Jun 04 2013 07:10 AM
    I think you are going to have 4 divisions of 5 with crossover games with other... - Stech Tue Jun 04 2013 08:35 AM
    Do you mean the cross-over games will be with a division in ANOTHER conference? Thread contains no text - Femoyer Hokie Tue Jun 04 2013 11:04 AM
    Yes. Thread contains no text - Stech Tue Jun 04 2013 07:59 PM
    I heard Oklahoma wants to join the ACC and play in any division with Virginia... - Old Line Hokie Mon Jun 03 2013 10:26 PM
    I'm seeing this too. But think about it. Oklahoma geographically does not... - HOO86 Tue Jun 04 2013 01:16 AM
    IMHO there will be 4 divisions with 5 teams in them. Oklahoma and Texas will... - Stech Tue Jun 04 2013 08:48 AM
    I se how this works for football, but how about all other sports? - HboroughHokie Tue Jun 04 2013 08:51 PM
    The ACC needs Texas like we need a hole on the head. There is a reason why any... - 133193Hokie Tue Jun 04 2013 01:42 PM
    If something like this goes down the ACC should take half the Big XII. I think... - HOO86 Tue Jun 04 2013 09:24 AM
    I'd take Texas and Oklahoma and three anybodies. - lawhokie Tue Jun 04 2013 01:15 PM
    Sgt. Dignam said it best whe he said < fart noise >. CFB is great because of... - crabcake77 Tue Jun 04 2013 02:04 PM
    I think the ACC lost any hope of regionalism in adding Miami, BC and Notre Dame. - lawhokie Tue Jun 04 2013 02:29 PM
    Miami is far away from almost every major FBS college except the schools within... - Old Line Hokie Tue Jun 04 2013 03:38 PM
    True, and a North-South Split (or regional pods) should be inevitable. Also... - crabcake77 Tue Jun 04 2013 02:42 PM
    i don't think you'll break up KU/K St any faster than OU/Ok St. i think TU... - BUGGZY Tue Jun 04 2013 01:13 PM
    So... NORTH = ND + BC + Pitt + Syracuse + Louisville? EAST = VT + UVA + UNC... - hokieball Tue Jun 04 2013 09:07 AM
    I see a couple problems with this alignment. First, Winston-Salem is I believe... - VTHokie2000 Tue Jun 04 2013 01:25 PM
    I think you are diretionally correct, but I see UConn eventually making it to... - Stech Tue Jun 04 2013 09:50 AM
    I'm in the minority when thinking about ACC expansion. I have my doubts about... Thread contains an image - Old Line Hokie Tue Jun 04 2013 01:59 PM
    So why not 24 instead of 20? Add UConn to the NORTH, WVU to the EAST, and... - hokieball Tue Jun 04 2013 10:25 AM
    While we're at it, 16 team football conference minus Wake/Duke & adding ND, UT,... - Colonel Jessup Tue Jun 04 2013 09:42 AM
    "By the way Tech has recently beaten Oklahoma in women's soccer and wrestling."... - Stech Mon Jun 03 2013 10:33 PM
    It would be interesting to know how close Penn State was to considering a move.... Thread contains a url - HOO86 Mon Jun 03 2013 08:42 PM
    The B1G is making it work with Rutgers. Swofford, the ADs and presidents are... - Calamitous Wed Jun 05 2013 06:38 PM
    There were very serious conversations, but they could have just been playing... - Stech Mon Jun 03 2013 08:59 PM
    According to my Penn State insider:D (who played football at PSU, coached by... - Old Line Hokie Mon Jun 03 2013 09:43 PM
    I am not expecting them to leave, but things were serious several months ago. ... - Stech Mon Jun 03 2013 09:59 PM
    The small fish was in town last weekend and split with us in baseball. Thread contains no text - Old Line Hokie Mon Jun 03 2013 10:28 PM
    i'd have to assume you are talking Texas, but i'm just not seeing them leaving... - BUGGZY Mon Jun 03 2013 10:27 PM
    I've talked to a dozen or so Maryland alumns, and only 1 or 2 are happy with... - HOO86 Mon Jun 03 2013 09:17 PM
    The B1G was crazy if they ever thought that either UVA or UNC would be first... - 133193Hokie Tue Jun 04 2013 07:18 AM
    There is a lot of division among UMd alums, but not near as much as there would... - Stech Mon Jun 03 2013 09:53 PM
    And the Catholic Seven paid how much to keep MSG for their BBall tourney? We... - PadrosWindup Mon Jun 03 2013 10:42 PM
    Some interesting ancient history: Why GT left the SEC (link) Thread contains a url - I85Hokie Mon Jun 03 2013 11:14 AM
    South Carolina left the ACC because the ACC had higher academic standards for... Thread contains a url - HOO86 Mon Jun 03 2013 08:13 PM
    Once Frank McGuire returned to the ACC he elevated the USC basketball program... Thread contains a url - alittle674 Mon Jun 03 2013 10:35 PM
    All of this is true, but all you have to do is listen to Bobby Cremins who... Thread contains a url - HOO86 Tue Jun 04 2013 08:53 AM
    Saban is now cutting guys after a year or two. He has found a way to do a... Thread contains a url - Stech Mon Jun 03 2013 07:09 PM
    I can't believe the NCAA allows kids to be treated this way? Not sure I agree.... - seekoHoG Mon Jun 03 2013 09:58 PM
    I just think it is too early and too many kids if what I am hearing is true. ... - Stech Mon Jun 03 2013 10:42 PM
    Not at all why South Carolina left. They generally didn't like the favoritism... Thread contains a url - hokiebob01 Mon Jun 03 2013 06:46 PM
    GT was trying to make itself out to be another ND, which at the time wasn't so... Thread contains a url - williamceto Mon Jun 03 2013 12:21 PM
    The B1G taking on a partial member... Thread contains a url - BUGGZY Mon Jun 03 2013 10:10 AM
    I will take ND with 5 football games a year and all other sports for getting a... Thread contains a url - Stech Mon Jun 03 2013 04:34 PM
    B1G didn't have to add anybody to get a good TV contract. - lawhokie Mon Jun 03 2013 09:04 PM
    They didn't lose anything by adding Hopkins, but they did lose out on UNC, UVa... - Stech Mon Jun 03 2013 10:30 PM
    The B1G didn't lose anybody and the ACC lost Maryland. - lawhokie Tue Jun 04 2013 08:59 AM
    I don't know that the ACC had the opportunity. I think this was orchestrated... - HOO86 Mon Jun 03 2013 09:29 PM
    Me too. In a heartbeat. And I'd bet that the Big Ten would too. I wanted the... - HOO86 Mon Jun 03 2013 07:49 PM
    We need to get Lacrosse asap! Thread contains a url - Truthahn Tue Jun 04 2013 10:09 PM
    i believe this is a question that will be left to the next AD. i think Women's... - BUGGZY Mon Jun 03 2013 10:00 PM
    Yes and the Women's Golf team will help us to get there. I would think we need... - Stech Mon Jun 03 2013 08:13 PM
    Navy is decent at lacrosse. It's a very popular sport at Navy. They lead the... Thread contains a url - HOO86 Mon Jun 03 2013 08:24 PM
    True enough. Thread contains no text - Femoyer Hokie Mon Jun 03 2013 07:06 PM
    It's just another move by the Big 10 to pacify Maryland and strengthen Big 10... Thread contains a url - Old Line Hokie Mon Jun 03 2013 12:49 PM
    They are not adding JHU to appease Maryland. I doubt they are very thrilled to... Thread contains a url - Truthahn Tue Jun 04 2013 10:26 PM
    With the extra 20 large, UMD athletics could flourish in the B1G. They weren't... - chuckd4vt Mon Jun 03 2013 01:48 PM
    do you think they will be "20 large" ahead within a decade, i.e, ahead of where... - daveinop Mon Jun 03 2013 08:13 PM
    W/ the ACCNetwork looking unlikely, I think they'll be up over $100 mil. the... - chuckd4vt Tue Jun 04 2013 06:14 PM
    Whoa Nelly! What's this about the ACCN looking "unlikely?" First I've heard... - Edgeman Tue Jun 04 2013 08:29 PM
    Probably not happening for at least another 2 to 3 years or more. ESPN has... - Old Line Hokie Tue Jun 04 2013 10:10 PM
    one Pac12 media consultant said the ACCN would be difficult because the ACC... - BUGGZY Tue Jun 04 2013 09:22 PM
    obviously there is another 'hidden' agenda... with Maryland may be designated... - Mercury Mon Jun 03 2013 12:27 PM
    ACC added partial member because it couldn't get all of Notre Dame... Thread contains a url - lawhokie Mon Jun 03 2013 11:07 AM
    clever, but Hopkins wouldn't move to D-1 even if the ACC or B1G begged them. ... - BUGGZY Mon Jun 03 2013 11:10 AM
    Then look at it in a way that really matters... - lawhokie Mon Jun 03 2013 11:59 AM
    This, I think, is the answer !!! Thread contains no text - 133193Hokie Mon Jun 03 2013 02:48 PM
    Johns Hopkins is a huge boost for the CIC. #1 research university in the... Thread contains a url - hokieball Mon Jun 03 2013 10:16 AM
    Is full CIC membership included for sure? That seems like a steep price to pay... Thread contains a url - Truthahn Tue Jun 04 2013 10:30 PM
    oh, no doubt. but do you integrate a school who won't commit to a single... Thread contains a url - BUGGZY Mon Jun 03 2013 10:33 AM
    Something to keep in mind, the Big Ten announced last year (I believe) that the... - VTHokie2000 Mon Jun 03 2013 12:37 PM
    It's not the medical school, per se. It's all the research dollars. If they... - EarthX Mon Jun 03 2013 01:07 PM
    I should have clarified my point because when I stated "medical school" I was... - VTHokie2000 Mon Jun 03 2013 01:42 PM
    RE: Ivy League - EarthX Mon Jun 03 2013 01:02 PM
    Even though that may be true, there is also the possibility that one... - VTHokie2000 Mon Jun 03 2013 01:48 PM
    Isn't the University of Chicago a CIC member? Thread contains no text - lawhokie Mon Jun 03 2013 12:01 PM
    yes, but they were also an athletic B1G member at one time. they withdrew from... - BUGGZY Mon Jun 03 2013 12:09 PM
    True. Also, its surprising none of the other current B1G schools could step up... - hokieball Mon Jun 03 2013 10:37 AM
    Off the top of my head, I can think of IX reasons why they weren't. Thread contains no text - Freddyburg Hokie Mon Jun 03 2013 10:55 AM
    Remember that Title IX would mean they would have to add more women's... - MPHOKIE Mon Jun 03 2013 10:42 AM

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